Festung Budapest vs the Annuals

Which is the 'better' module?


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daveramsey

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Ok - so following on from our impossible job to find the best modules, Martin and I can't agree as to whether the Annuals as a collection or Festung Budapest is the better 'module'. I know - apples and oranges, but humour me, please!
 

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This time I went with the Module over the Magazines because the Annuals are pretty old and FB has some interesting chrome to play or DYO with.
 

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The FB map is wonderful and remains my personal Style Guide, but the 95 Annual by itself should win this poll. Acts of Defiance, Wintergewitter, Italian Brothers, Valhalla Bound, Last of Their Strength, etc etc ETC. That's a bloody Murderers Row of all-time great scenarios. And then you want to add all the other Annuals on top of that? Not just scenarios but articles too?

Pshaw.
 

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I am being a bit stoopid and approaching this from the play value point of view - ignoring the article content.

The ‘problem’ with annuals is that many of the classic scenarios have been republished - although I still cannot understand why Cold Crocodiles was never a part of For King and Country or Valhalla Bound was not in BV3rd edition.

So if you have everything core module in 2nd or 3rd edition you have the greatest hits of the scenario content in your hands with updates and errata.

So - as things stand currently someone with the newest modules will get more additional play value out of FB. You’d miss Npum Ga HASL and couple of scenarios but that is not comparable to FB.
 
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Annuals, hands down. You can go back and read and discover new bits of wisdom.
 

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Annuals, hands down. You can go back and read and discover new bits of wisdom.
Or dull and tiresome expositions on Squad Leader topics of vanishingly little interest.

Or "eight million," long-winded discourses on [insert nationality here].

Or obscure* subject matter: Here, Pigi-Pigi! ;)

Or sub-spuddy, occasionally gauche, humour such as "UPS (Untermensch Parcel Service)."

Need I go on? I shall. :)

In the early, heady days of ASL, the ASL Annual was full of promise. Indeed, by '95--in an issue riddled with errata, it began to deliver on some of its missed potential. Notwithstanding the excellent contributions of Nixon and a couple of other ASL luminaries, taken as a whole, the publication fell short of providing the volume of innovative reflection on the game that began to appear more frequently in its successor, the ASL Journal. And that's the point.

Taken as a whole, as a singular body of work, the Annual doesn't compare favourably with a HASL module that has taken ASL to new levels of historicity, design, and creativity. The Annual encapsulates almost a decade of ASL, and yet there is remarkably little "evolution" to be found in its articles and its (occasionally noteworthy) scenarios. In many respects the Annual simply reinforced and regurgitated what had gone before; it seldom pushed the envelope. In fairness, ASL as a system remained incomplete throughout the magazine's life. Doomed Battalions and Armies of Oblivion, for example, had yet to see the light of day. Therefore, in many ways it's understandable why much of the Annual's content seemed like more of the same. Useful it was. Of FB stature it's not.

*With apologies to Mr. Swann. We're still waiting for your scenario with Fijian commandos in native canoes. :)
 

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I was going to say Annuals. Reading the other posts helped me realize that they are dated. I am pretty sure at least one article has been superseded by version 2 rule changes. Add to that, most of the scenarios have republished, many with updates. Therefore, I vote FB.
 

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All excellent points. I guess the question is, do you rate the products as of the time they came out (and within that environment) or do you rate them within their current context? So, does Red Barricades automatically lose to Red Factories or does Red Barricades win over Red Factories due to being "the original"?
 

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I wander between Festung Budapest and Blood and Jungle being the single best ASK product so this one is easy for me, FB by a country mile.
 

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All excellent points. I guess the question is, do you rate the products as of the time they came out (and within that environment) or do you rate them within their current context? So, does Red Barricades automatically lose to Red Factories or does Red Barricades win over Red Factories due to being "the original"?
Very nice point about context.
 

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All excellent points. I guess the question is, do you rate the products as of the time they came out (and within that environment) or do you rate them within their current context? So, does Red Barricades automatically lose to Red Factories or does Red Barricades win over Red Factories due to being "the original"?
I guess as we're setting the context here, I'll say "with the benefit of hindsight and in today's environment" (otherwise Beyond Valor wins by default!)
 

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For me, who doesn't own FB ( yet ) I'd have to say the Annuals ; because, currently on Ebay they're very cheap and being a relative newcomer ( played it 30+ years ago then stopped, started again a year or so ago ) the articles are interesting and informative, and there's 10 scenarios or so included.
I'll post my vote again on the YouTube video.
 

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For me, who doesn't own FB ( yet ) I'd have to say the Annuals ; because, currently on Ebay they're very cheap and being a relative newcomer ( played it 30+ years ago then stopped, started again a year or so ago ) the articles are interesting and informative, and there's 10 scenarios or so included.
I'll post my vote again on the YouTube video.
Value for money-wise they're great if you're able to pick them up. There's also the full digital download pack that's available for about $40 if you ever want to go down that route.
 

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If its FB versus Annuals, I am in on FB. Though its is not a favorite of mine (too much chrome for my like but that is just my opinion). Plus our playing of CGI was terrible (much has already been written on that way back). See Battle School's reaction to the Annuals..........

If it were FB versus Journals, I am all in with Journals......

Peace

Roger
 
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