Famous ASL Leader Counter Thread

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In the BRT HASL there are quite a few; Col Dave Shoup, LT Sandy Bonnyman, Lt Dean Hawkins and a couple of the IJA that i cant recall of the top of my head....
I commented once that our facility was on Hawkins Drive in El Paso, his hometown having named the road in his honor. I think I was the only one who knew that among our staff and loved to bring it up.
 

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I commented once that our facility was on Hawkins Drive in El Paso, his hometown having named the road in his honor. I think I was the only one who knew that among our staff and loved to bring it up.
I probably wouldn't have connected the name with the street myself. Glad he was honored in that way. It would be nice if they put up a sign to let people know; "named in honor of LT Dean Hawkins,MOH on Tarawa.:flag::salute::flag:
 

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A Leon Degrelle counter would be cool for scenarios set within the 'Circle Of Iron'. Also a Col. Ridgeway, because he para-jumped in with his initial troops. Maybe a Krukenberg if you're depicting the French SS in the final defenses of Berlin; but perhaps a Fenet would be more appropriate for that.
 

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The Partisan 8 - 1 Anieliwicz is named for Mordecai Anieliwicz of the Polish Home Army...
 

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I probably wouldn't have connected the name with the street myself. Glad he was honored in that way. It would be nice if they put up a sign to let people know; "named in honor of LT Dean Hawkins,MOH on Tarawa.:flag::salute::flag:
Yeah, there is a stretch of highway in Wisconsin named Bong highway (Named after MoH fighter pilot ace Richard Bong) and sometimes I hear ignorant DJ's (Roe Kahn on WLS for one) on the radio make fun of the name. Really sad IMHO.
 
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Much like Tom said, like most of the AH/MMP HASLs that have come before it, FB features mostly (>90%) historical names for all of the nationality leaders. For the Germans, 51 of the 53 leaders fought inside the city either with one of the 2 SS Divisions, the 13th Panzer, the Feldherrnhalle, or the Europa alarm battalion.

For the Axis Hungarians, of the 57 leaders provided, 55 were there in Budapest with the vast majority being the squad and company leaders from the Vannay Battalion. The 1-4-9 Ungvary hero is in homage to the author of one of the books from which much of the historical information was taken from. The 1-4-9 Zwack hero is in homage to the US Army General that wrote the MHQ article that initially sparked my interest in the siege of Budapest. General Zwack's father was in Budapest during the siege.

On the Soviet side, of the 50 leaders 46 fought in Budapest. Three of the other four (Blantonov, Alonsonev, and Noahvich) are playtesters, while the fourth is 7-0 Sgt. Argentov (ya, go figure).

The last batch, the Buda Volunteer Regiment has 36 leaders, 30 of whom belonged to the BVR. Nevekin and Szamveber are historians who provided me information on the battle, Harviala did playtesting, Hajos and Borsanyi dug up a bunch of really useful information for me, and Kirkaldy did all the initial map development and a lot of the initial concept work.

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Same goes for VotG, many of the German & Soviet leaders were historical names, from division COs to regimental, battalion and company COs.

I love it when HASLs use the historical leader names, not only a nice touch but honors their memory (sort of).

Tom
 

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"Kampfgruppe Scherer" by LFT has name leaders from the actions there plus a couple of cardboard heroes as Brett has pointed out for other modules. Of course, none are too famous and if it were not for the module, either would have been General Scherer to us ASL players. Flames of War battle books try to point out famous leaders and heros also. Not a bad touch.
 

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Yeah, there is a stretch of highway in Wisconsin named Bong highway (Named after MoH fighter pilot ace Richard Bong) and sometimes I hear ignorant DJ's (Roe Kahn on WLS for one) on the radio make fun of the name. Really sad IMHO.
I have always wondered why the Bong wildlife area is in the southeast corner of the state when he grew up in the Northwest corner (Poplar, WI)



One of the things I liked about the Annuals was the less than serious counters ie Piper, tigger trap, Maus, and glider tanks. Some of the Historical big names would be OK from that point of view but not for regular play.

I have an Idea for a Commisar 10-1 counter named "Rudy" That is used only during December and when used automatically turns snow/ground snow to rain/mud Because:devious:


(Wait for it):)


"Rudolph the Red, knows Rain, Dear!":hush:
I couldn't resist.:nuts:
 

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Schwerpunkt has two excellent scenarios packs that features Heroes with unique SSRs for each Hero to fit their circumstance during the battle that got them their awards. I've played many of the scenarios from Medal of Honor (#5) and Victoria Cross (#6) and highly recommend both.

They're not actually famous Generals, but there are some pretty famous Heroes.
I killed Audie Murphy at Winter War back in 2003. Pretty fun scenario and Audie did kick some butt before he went down. Played another from that pack against Hennie at ASLOK which was loads of fun as well. Back in the day when Schwerpunkt wasn't afraid to put a little meat on the scenario's bones.
 

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I'm entering this thread very, very late....but I would like to see the return of this, being able to name some of the leaders. I hope Critical Hit (or someone) can bring back this option.

That is really neat that they made Audie Murphy. We've all seen his movie of his actual heroics in WW2. Hope this option returns, as I need some leaders named for an ASL project.

~ Rod
 

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Thanks for sharing. And these two armor leaders (Wittmann and Ribbentrop) plus the Hollywood actor Audie Murphy were all made as leader requests by Tapio and team? That was really neat! I don't know if Ray offers this any longer. I sent a request for a handful of individuals.

The thing is you'd have to do your homework to try and establish a proper rating for each. 9-1 seems plausible for Michael Wittmann.
 

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Most of the MMP HASL's have leader and hero counters of actual people present, PB, BR:T, FB to name a few. And of course, Rommel in CdG2.
 

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Yes, I know. I've seen them ... some of them. Those are excellent - not just in accurate ratings but even more so with the professional artwork behind each counter. "Heat of Battle" went out of their way to make the infamous Nazi dictator, Adolph Hitler. I've never seen Erwin Rommel though, but I know he's excellent. ASL artists might have to get Ron Volstad's approval to use some of his drawings. I don't know how that'll turn out, but some talented artists will participate with an MMP or Critical Hit project I'm certain to help create the artwork for drawing an actual person for counter art....as it appears that HoB did.

John Cooper is an excellent draftsman that does counters/board gamer artwork for example. Tom Cundiff is another.

With most of these, I'm sure the Rodger MacGowan figures will cover. I was thinking about lesser known personalities versus an iconic field marshal like an Ike D. Eisenhower, Montgomery, Omar Bradley, or Patton. And so the generic combat soldier, the officer that MacGowan drew for any nationality for "Squad Leader" will do.

Sure. An actual drawing of Sir Anthony Hopkins from Cornelius Ryan's "A Bridge Too Far" would be the thing of dreams fit inside his 10-2 ASL leader counter. He can be represented as either Lieutenant-Colonel Frost based on Ryan's work, or as Colonel Hopkins as a good fictional ASL leader for the Red Devil paratrooper Brits. Hutch.... That would take the artist some time to sketch Anthony Hopkins from a paused frame in the 1977 movie.

Again, the artistry doesn't have to go that far. A generic drawing of a British paratrooper from Ray Tapio saved inside his PC will do as far as the image of some leaders that I had in mind.

Fantastic work though by MMP and the others (Heat of Battle). I'd like to see some of these. Erwin Rommel, General Patton...

Thanks for sharing.

~ Rod
 

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I don't feel that MMP would be amenable to personalized drawings of leaders on ASL counters. The system is too far along for that, plus addition printing costs.
 

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I hear you, Hutch. Curt Schilling, Perry Cocke, and Co. That makes sense with MMP. Too much to cover than to get sidetracked and distracted by unnecessary details. Focus on the essentials---I get it.

How about Heat of Battle? Were they with Desperation Morale? I don't know who they were affiliated with.

I was just reading over Lt.-Col. Frost on Wiki a second ago, and it would be hard to gage his SL leader rating off the few paragraphs of literature there. They held up for several days (inside Arnhem) waiting on Gen. Horrocks to provide relief that never came.

10-2 seems like that might work for Lt.-Col. Frost. I could use a better source however.
 
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Good playtesters get rewarded with their names (sic) on a SMC counter in a AH/MMP core module or HASL module.
I do not like to see too many actual leaders used, as they become a target for enemy fire (Ha! I just killed Rommel!).
 

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I think Poland in Flames has Sosabowski
 

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Yes, and he's played by none other than the great Gene Hackman (in the epic film "A Bridge Too Far"). We just lost him a few weeks ago.

Historical names aid point of reference for various scenarios. I agree with everyone here on the forum. There's a need for some.

If they're made, use the historically named leaders very sparingly with an exception to the scenario if the designer put said individual in that scenario.

Critical Hit made Hitler, but he was never in any of the scenarios for HoB's "Hitler's Firemen - Waffen SS II."
 
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