En Portee: Does the crew have to dismount first?

[Will Fleming]

C10.51 (UN)LOADING: A Gun can be (un)loaded only after a crew counter has spent its entire MF allotment as unpinned, non-entrenched Good Order Infantry in the Location of the Gun and a non-Bypass vehicle in a declared attempt (which makes it subject to Hazardous Movement) to do so. A non-QSU Gun (un)loads in Limbered mode. When a Gun has been thusly loaded it is marked with an En Portee counter, and once (un)loaded the crew and vehicle become TI. A Gun may not be (un)loaded to/from a vehicle that has expended any MP in the same MPh.

Does the crew have to dismount first to then later unload the En Portee gun or do they unload together in one MPh?

 

[Brian W]

Does the crew have to dismount first to then later unload the En Portee gun or do they unload together in one MPh?

Per the rule you quoted it takes a crew counter that is Infantry its entire MPh to load or unload. So, no, they do not (un)load together.

 

[Binchois]

Per the rule you quoted it takes a crew counter that is Infantry its entire MPh to load or unload. So, no, they do not (un)load together.

Is this right?

Ordinarily, a crew can (dis-)embark simultaneously while (un-)loading a Gun (C10.11; C10.12 dependent upon previous MP/MF expenditure). The same is true for other units carrying SWs. True enough, C10.51 doesn't specify that the crew of an en portee gun can (dis-)embark at the same time, but boy I wish the RB which make clear that it intends to make this exception!

Probably a case to use COWTRA, but for that reason, I would try Perry! (...Unless this question has already been asked).

 

[Eagle4ty]

It just says it has to be in the same location as the gun, I don't think there is any reading into it that it must be in a separate state (e.g. dismounted). Fairly certain C10.11 & C10.12 would apply as that is the procedures for (un)loading a Gun and there is no statement to the contrary in C10.5-.51.

 

[Brian W]

A crew counter that is PRC is not Infantry. The rule is pretty specific the the crew counter must be Infantry, and as this was a later addition to the ASLRB, they probably meant what they wrote.

 

[jrv]

It just says it has to be in the same location as the gun, I don't think there is any reading into it that it must be in a separate state (e.g. dismounted). Fairly certain C10.11 & C10.12 would apply as that is the procedures for (un)loading a Gun and there is no statement to the contrary in C10.5-.51.

C10.51 says the crew must spend an entire MPh as *Infantry*. Further the vehicle cannot have expended any MP in the MPh that the gun unloads. The correct procedure for unloading seems to be: MPh 1- drive to desired hex and unload the crew; MPh 2- spend entire MPh unloading Gun, with crew and vehicle becoming TI in the process. It is not as quick as unhooking, where you can half (/one-third) of the vehicle's MP allotment before unhooking, with the crew exiting in the same turn.

In the loading case the crew would spend an entire MPh loading the gun only, then in the next MPh the crew itself could (if desired) load on the vehicle and then the vehicle could drive off.

JR

 

[Vinnie]

Remember as an en portee gun has to be lifted off the truck, it is a much greater amount of work than an unhooking procedure. Mind you, you can always just fire the thing from the lorry.

 

[Will Fleming]

In this case, the vehicle/gun combo got immobilized by a lucky DR and a sneaky LOS after moving.