Embankment Railroads - inherent terrain?

[Magpie]

True, they are not marked as such on the Chaper B Terrain chart, however the rule (B32.12) says:
"EmRR hexes are treated as Hillock (F6.) hexes for LOS, TEM, and COT purposes ..." and Hillock hexes are Inherent Terrain

Sure but it says nothing about being inherent terrain.

 

[jrv]

Sure but it says nothing about being inherent terrain.

It also says nothing in B32.12 about an embanked RR being an obstacle. Both that and being inherent is covered by being treated as a Hillock.

JR

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Sure but it says nothing about being inherent terrain.

Being Inherent Terrain is a part of LOS

 

[Magpie]

Being Inherent Terrain is a part of LOS

Sure but being inherent affects a lot of other things too. It's an attribute of the hex in and of itself and it's not specifically stated that EmRR is inherent terrain and it's not noted as such on the terrain chart.

 

[Eagle4ty]

Sure but being inherent affects a lot of other things too. It's an attribute of the hex in and of itself and it's not specifically stated that EmRR is inherent terrain and it's not noted as such on the terrain chart.

Probably could be clearer and perhaps a candidate for an errata.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Sure but being inherent affects a lot of other things too. It's an attribute of the hex in and of itself and it's not specifically stated that EmRR is inherent terrain and it's not noted as such on the terrain chart.

Other things such as? NRBH.

 

[Magpie]

Probably could be clearer and perhaps a candidate for an errata.

What's not clear about the little black squares next to the various inherent terrain features on the terrain chart ?

 

[Eagle4ty]

What's not clear about the little black squares next to the various inherent terrain features on the terrain chart ?

Ah, perhaps I have an outdated chart, mine do not have a black box in the LOS OBSTACLE/HINDRANCE column of the B. TERRAIN CHART. I guess yours does but I may have missed that errata. So sorry!

 

[Magpie]

Ah, perhaps I have an outdated chart, mine do not have a black box in the LOS OBSTACLE/HINDRANCE column of the B. TERRAIN CHART. I guess yours does but I may have missed that errata. So sorry!

I can't be certain as my memory isn't that good but I think those squares have been on that chart since V1.0

 

[Philippe D.]

I can't be certain as my memory isn't that good but I think those squares have been on that chart since V1.0

The black squares are indeed in the v1.0 terrain charts, but the lines for the EmRR are certainly not - there was no such terrain at the time.

 

[Magpie]

The black squares are indeed in the v1.0 terrain charts, but the lines for the EmRR are certainly not - there was no such terrain at the time.

Yes, obviously

 

[Eagle4ty]

The black squares are indeed in the v1.0 terrain charts, but the lines for the EmRR are certainly not - there was no such terrain at the time.

I was obviously talking about the black boxes for EmRR, ElRR, SuRR, missing on my chart but glad to see that at least this has already been rectified by an errata as per Magpie and no further clarrification or errata would be required.

 

[hongkongwargamer]

RailRoad ain’t marked with a black square as inherent terrain on my MMP chart nor on my Rat Chart either.

 

[Magpie]

I was obviously talking about the black boxes for EmRR, ElRR, SuRR, missing on my chart but glad to see that at least this has already been rectified by an errata as per Magpie and no further clarrification or errata would be required.

Obviously, when I read your post it wasn't obvious that you were talking about that specific instance, I apologise for the confusion

 

[jrv]

Festung Budapest says, "An EmRR hex is a type of Inherent Terrain (B.6)." The Festung Budapest Terrain Summary chart has a black square next to the cogway railroad entry. I don't think this is intended as a modification of the standard rules, but rather is thought of as a restatement of the rules. I also believe the Chapter B chart is missing a black square for the EmRR. Just my guess though.

JR

 

[Magpie]

RailRoad ain’t marked with a black square as inherent terrain on my MMP chart nor on my Rat Chart either.

I'll add to that and point out that sunken/GL and Elevated Railroads aren't inherent either.
It seems odd that the rules for elevated roads, which apply to elevated railroads, specifically talk about the artwork being included in the LOS blocking and if we take an Embankment railroad as inherent it will be the only railroad to be considered so

 

[Magpie]

Festung Budapest says, "An EmRR hex is a type of Inherent Terrain (B.6)." The Festung Budapest Terrain Summary chart has a black square next to the cogway railroad entry. I don't think this is intended as a modification of the standard rules, but rather is thought of as a restatement of the rules. I also believe the Chapter B chart is missing a black square for the EmRR. Just my guess though.

JR

I'd go the opposite and say they are 100% for FB only. The old Red Barricades rules are different again, they are basically walls

Edit: The FB rules are actually for "Cog Railway"

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Festung Budapest says, "An EmRR hex is a type of Inherent Terrain (B.6)." The Festung Budapest Terrain Summary chart has a black square next to the cogway railroad entry. I don't think this is intended as a modification of the standard rules, but rather is thought of as a restatement of the rules. I also believe the Chapter B chart is missing a black square for the EmRR. Just my guess though.

JR

Agree, it wouldn't be the first error on the terrain chart.

As for FB, those rules were pretty much duplicated from the Hillock rules so that Chapter F wasn't a requirement and there were no modifications intended.

 

[Hemaelstrom]

It's gratifying to have insights like this into design intentions

 

[Magpie]

It's a fair stretch to over turn an in print rule on the basis of a generalised reference and a specific modification of the base rules to represent a different feature.

All the evidence says it isn't inherent terrain.