chris_olden
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Nah. In today's "P.C. World" I'm fairly certain that get me labeled a male sexist pig.You need a new avatar, Chris :
BTW, that's one ugly ass guitar.
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BTW, that's one ugly ass guitar.
Proff3RTR
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Then His angst is dead to us and has no bearing on our ASL lives, move along nothing to see here, but I still want his kit if he is selling it.
Proff3RTR
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And me with a dodgy ticker as well....
xenovin
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If it's a Jackson I'll take it! As a lefty the V is easy to "convert"
Capt. Batguano
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<shrugs> Your current avatar will get you labelled a sexist pig, so what's to lose?
CTKnudsen
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The OP is a bit petulant, which is fine, nothing wrong with being irritated with the perceived direction of the hobby, though it tends to invite a more elevated response (like bye, sell me your stuff, lol).
But, while keeping in mind that ASL is pretty expensive up front (yes yes, so is everything, and it's good value for time per dollar spent, etc), I think that MMP is trying to do a good job of keeping everyone happy. The additions to the RB rerelease have created some small division of opinion, but think about what a small added cost you are paying for what is essentially in this case an add on to the RO HASL! Similarly, I'd be fairly surprised if they didn't offer Dinant as a separate purchase for those not wanting the CdG module, although, like the Red Factories bundle, it'll be a good enough deal combined that I suspect few will split the offer.
Blaming third-party publishers seems to be a bit of a stretch, though - you takes what you gets, and it's not like people don't write reviews of products fairly quickly after release.
But, while keeping in mind that ASL is pretty expensive up front (yes yes, so is everything, and it's good value for time per dollar spent, etc), I think that MMP is trying to do a good job of keeping everyone happy. The additions to the RB rerelease have created some small division of opinion, but think about what a small added cost you are paying for what is essentially in this case an add on to the RO HASL! Similarly, I'd be fairly surprised if they didn't offer Dinant as a separate purchase for those not wanting the CdG module, although, like the Red Factories bundle, it'll be a good enough deal combined that I suspect few will split the offer.
Blaming third-party publishers seems to be a bit of a stretch, though - you takes what you gets, and it's not like people don't write reviews of products fairly quickly after release.
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I read him as venting his frustration.
Perhaps is he awaiting some positive advice: anger is a feeling which expresses that one considers that something is wrong and should stop.
Calling an angry man a troll, mocking him by inviting him to give his gear away, etc. is not a good way to manage that feeling.
Offering an alternate analysis or dedramatising the negative picture that the person has been painting is more constructive.
Perhaps offering some understanding of a part (even a smaller one) of what makes him angry too.
Now perhaps the suspicions that the OP is indeed a troll and a despicable egocentric who deserves a piling of reproof and of mockeries.
I haven't seen enough of his posts to consider that there is enough evidence that he is such a person.
If we are uneasy when someone openly declares that he is quitting the hobby, we should also fall on anyone who joyfully says that he is joining the community.
Otherwise, yes, we have a cultic behaviour, blessing the converts and cursing the apostates.
Perhaps is he awaiting some positive advice: anger is a feeling which expresses that one considers that something is wrong and should stop.
Calling an angry man a troll, mocking him by inviting him to give his gear away, etc. is not a good way to manage that feeling.
Offering an alternate analysis or dedramatising the negative picture that the person has been painting is more constructive.
Perhaps offering some understanding of a part (even a smaller one) of what makes him angry too.
Now perhaps the suspicions that the OP is indeed a troll and a despicable egocentric who deserves a piling of reproof and of mockeries.
I haven't seen enough of his posts to consider that there is enough evidence that he is such a person.
If we are uneasy when someone openly declares that he is quitting the hobby, we should also fall on anyone who joyfully says that he is joining the community.
Otherwise, yes, we have a cultic behaviour, blessing the converts and cursing the apostates.
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I agree with your balanced considerations.
chris_olden
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I'm not sure I understand.
My avatar is me. Maybe a "sexy pig", but a "sexist pig"? I'm not sure 'bout that.
Brad M-V
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Wir warten hier, bis das Gewitter vorbei ist.
We'll wait here until the thunderstorm is over.
P.S. Until we meet again, take care bis.
We'll wait here until the thunderstorm is over.
P.S. Until we meet again, take care bis.
Capt. Batguano
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Meh. Just a random joke. Nothing serious. I did figure the avatar was you. No offense intended. If you didn't get it then it's not a very good joke
witchbottles
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Chris looks much better when he does his "John Mellencamp" impressionsMeh. Just a random joke. Nothing serious. I did figure the avatar was you. No offense intended. If you didn't get it then it's not a very good joke
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Concur on almost all points, and as someone who has had to buy back into the hobby several times over the years (not that I ever sold anything), I understand some of the OP's frustration. A new HASL when AP#4 remains out of print? Couldn't I at least buy the rules pages included in AP#4, which I need just to have a complete Rulebook? Where are their priorities?
But I am also pragmatic enough to understand that their priorities are right where they have to be -- doing first, and most, what keeps the business viable, and therefore the hobby alive. Selling a new module at $100+ to many new and existing players is going to do that better than reprinting a $30 scenario pack just for new and returning players. And might just generate the profit required to deal with the out-of-print items like AP#4.
And I also see nothing wrong with inviting the OP to private e-mail me a list of the goods on offer, should he decide to sell any of his collection despite how short-sighted I and others here might think that.
I have some small amount sympathy with the dissatisfaction with reissues. However the exception of CH, the degree of partial duplication is, I believe, nothing on the scale compared to the likes of D&D. At least with MMP and BFP reissues your old counters and maps are still usable, indeed having extras can be an advantage with a small number of scenarios.
The only advice I can give is hang on to your kit, it will be expensive and a lengthy process to rebuild if you sell off.
The only advice I can give is hang on to your kit, it will be expensive and a lengthy process to rebuild if you sell off.
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One can play a lot of ASL without running out and buying everything that comes out. I myself rarely buy new product and haven't for a number of years. I am helped by the fact that the people I play with tend to buy everything, but even then, there are a lot of missing items in my inventory at this point, and I don't feel bad about it at all. Some of my antipathy about new product has to do with design choices and theaters, but mostly I am just tired of all the stuff I've bought that I never have time to play. I gave up on a box of old items last year and gave them away to another gamer. So, if the OP is still here, give up on buying it all and enjoy what you have now. One can play and enjoy ASL without being a completest, regardless of the reason you aren't a completest--whether due to finances, other hobbies, or issues with publishers' choices.
1. You're just NOW complaining about CH? Where have you been the last 20 years pal?
2. I've got ITR, don't need ITR2. I'm happy. I have an extra copy of ITR I'm willing to sell.
3. Including Dinant with CDG is a great decision. Only have to pay for shipping once and all the counters for both will match. Similar to Soldiers of the Negus coming out with the Italians. (Or are you mad about that too?)
4. I don't need a new Red Barricades or a new RB map. I only ordered Red Oktober. If they updated the RB map 100 times more people would be pissed off, because they would be 'forced' to buy a new map. Lesser of two evils.
5. Who is Academy Games? Do they publish ASL stuff? If not, they suck and should be avoided any way.
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horseshoe
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I agree with 98% of what you said. Funny about CH, if everybody that had similar feelings about their products decided to quit ASL, I don't think there would be many ASL players left.
About ordering just Red October, I disagree simply because the reprinted maps from RB will match in color variation perfectly, while if you use the older maps, they've said the colors will be different. Not a big deal, but you get all the errata included into the updated rules section as well and I presume the new rules will be the slightly larger print, easier on the aging eyes. just my .02c worth !!
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Well if the OP was just having a bad day, wait until you sober up, the outlook may change. If it's not because of drink, have a couple of stiff ones, perhaps the outlook will improve. If you're looking for empathy, the bar tender will feign that. If you're looking for sympathy, it's in the dictionary (alternative Google Search). If you're serious as a heart attack, too bad, so sad, pass the beer nuts! Oh by the way! Got any good deals on your ASL gear?