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Re: Unsere Flotte - The German Navy in 1912

Interesting drawing of Derfflinger there. It shows her with 14x 15cm guns ;).
 

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Are you people all ex-navy men ? I , as a senior citizen single wargamer am dumbfounded at the info,pics,knowledge,depth of info etc. expressed on this site ! I served very briefly in the U.S.army at the end of WW2-- but have played at wargames since i was 12-13 years old ,using soda bottles caps as soldiers,lead toy ships to fight battles on living room floor, drawing up battles on graph paper etc. Jim
 

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Just an enthusiastic ameteur. Juvenile diabetes = no navy.
 

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As for me, I'm a voracious reader and a still active two-and-a-half striper with new access to a specialised naval library.

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Re: Unsere Flotte - The German Navy in 1912

Are you people all ex-navy men ? I , as a senior citizen single wargamer am dumbfounded at the info,pics,knowledge,depth of info etc. expressed on this site ! I served very briefly in the U.S.army at the end of WW2-- but have played at wargames since i was 12-13 years old ,using soda bottles caps as soldiers,lead toy ships to fight battles on living room floor, drawing up battles on graph paper etc. Jim
I'm amazed too, Jim! Myself I'm just a grognard. I've been a naval history buff and wargamer since I found an old copy of a Hornblower book on my fathers bookshelf :)

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Re: Unsere Flotte - The German Navy in 1912

Interesting drawing of Derfflinger there. It shows her with 14x 15cm guns ;).
And with some to many 8,8 cm also :D
This is after - Jutland configuration (with tripod mast), and after the refit Derfflinger carried only two such guns (Lutzow had four of them)
How can we call licentia poetica in painting?
 

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Re: Unsere Flotte - The German Navy in 1912

Nassau class on the scheme is described as armed with 14 cm secondary guns. I never heard about such a guns in German Navy, and rather do believe that ships were fitted with 15 cm secondaries. Am I wrong?
 

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The nice thing about the Nassau diagram is that it clears up something's that been a mystery for me for a while: the designations of German turrets. Unless all the turrets were on the centerline, it's always been hard for me to tell what sort of scheme they used. Now I see they went clockwise around the ship, at least on the Nassaus.
 

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The nice thing about the Nassau diagram is that it clears up something's that been a mystery for me for a while: the designations of German turrets. Unless all the turrets were on the centerline, it's always been hard for me to tell what sort of scheme they used. Now I see they went clockwise around the ship, at least on the Nassaus.
The names of turrets were:

A - Anton,
B - Bruno
C - Caesar
D - Dora

Does anyone know how the turrets E and F were called? It's rarely mentioned since not many ships had six turrets on them.
E and F versions of Me109 were called "Emil" and "Friedrich" - does it apply to the vessels as well?
 

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No idea... never really thought about it, but the ships of the Helgoland class must have faced the same designation problem. Of course, up until then the maximum number of turrets on any ship was three (Brandenburg class), so a new system had to be devised anyway.

Incidently, what was the system in the Royal Navy? I seem to recall that the turrets on Hood were designated A, B, X and Y.

And last: heavy turrets being assembled at Krupp in Essen.
 

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Yes on RN ships the turrets are A & B at the bow, X & Y at the stern. Iron Duke class ships had a midships Q-turret. Nelson with three forward turrets had A,B & C.
 

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Yes on RN ships the turrets are A & B at the bow, X & Y at the stern. Iron Duke class ships had a midships Q-turret. Nelson with three forward turrets had A,B & C.
Still - what were the names of turrets on German ships (with more than four turrets) ? Anybody knows?
 

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That was another 15" hit, this time APC. It burst on impact, as was common with Brit APC of that time, and only caused a couple of casualties inside the turret.
Still it looks (from the photo) that the turret was penetrated. If the victims were few, the turret crew was really extremely lucky!
 

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Re: Unsere Flotte - The German Navy in 1912

Still - what were the names of turrets on German ships (with more than four turrets) ? Anybody knows?
I believe E and F turrets on German ships were Emil and Franz

BTW, I've seen in books that Agincourt's 7 turrets were named after the days of the week instead of the usual Brit lettering system. But which turret had which name? Was her forward turret Sunday (as with the usual calendar arrangement) or Monday (which is the start of the work week)?
 

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I believe E and F turrets on German ships were Emil and Franz

Agincourt's 7 turrets were named after the days of the week instead of the usual Brit lettering system.
It's good that nobody built the eight turret battleship :D :D :D
 

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Re: Unsere Flotte - The German Navy in 1912

I bet that the foremost turret was Monday, as a battleship usually means business, not resting. And if the last turret (Sunday) was used exclusively, well, it was probably time to pray you get away safely ;).
 
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