Desperation penalty and WA

[cooljrunner]

A unit finds itself in a hex containing both a building and a stone wall. Unit is marked with a Wall Advantage counter. Unit fires a LATW without accepting the additional +2 drm on the To Hit roll from Case C3. Is unit subject to the C13.81 desperation penalty? For some reason I was thinking desperation did not apply by virtue of the WA counter and therefore unit considered outside the building. Not finding much support for this position in the rules.

 

[clubby]

I would say yes, it's based on their Location not what TEM they are currently receiving.

13.81 DESPERATION: Whether due to ignorance, panic, or dire circumstance, these weapons (13.8) were sometimes fired inside restrictive terrain, and hundreds of deaths and serious burns resulted to the operators as a consequence. Therefore, the Case C3 To Hit DRM can be ignored if so predesignated, but all occupants of the firing Location in such restrictive terrain undergo attack on the 1 FP column of the IFT using only the colored dr of that To Hit DR. No drm apply.

 

[Eagle4ty]

Yes they must undergo the desperation penalty even though claiming WA [EXC: If firing in the AFPh]. Seems kind of funky, but that's the current understanding.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Lest there be any doubt....

B9.32:
"...A unit claiming WA is still considered occupying any obstacle/terrain as it would if not claiming WA for all purposes (e.g., Concealment Terrain, firing backblast weapon from building) [EXC: 9.31]...."

 

[von Marwitz]

Yes they must undergo the desperation penalty even though claiming WA [EXC: If firing in the AFPh]. Seems kind of funky, but that's the current understanding.

I agree. They take the backblast.
The point is, that despite using WA and not in-hex TEM, they are still in a Building hex.

von Marwitz

 

[GeorgeBates]

Well, this was a teaching moment.