Interesting. Can you give us even a modest "paper" trail to the MMP 'green light.'
Here's the conversation Mark Pitcavage had with Brian & Chas on ConSim World a few years back...
Mark Pitcavage - Aug 12, 2016 10:18 pm(#
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That's what I do: I bitch and I know things.
the next Croix de Guerre really, really, really needs to have two-toned French counters (green/blue) for the Free French. The current system doesn't work well, IMO, and the use of British counters--when the British supplied arms & equipment for only a small fraction of Free French forces--just does not work well.
George Bates - Aug 12, 2016 10:25 pm(#
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Stuck inside of Benouville with the Le Port blues again
I just want a new Croix de Guerre so that all my French counters will have the same font and type size. This and the 50ml bottle of calvados MMP will place in every pre-order shipment.
Chas Argent - Aug 13, 2016 8:53 am(#
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"He's just like any other man, only more so."
I just want a new Croix de Guerre so that all my French counters will have the same font and type size.
This is #1 on my hit parade.
Mark Pitcavage - Aug 15, 2016 5:01 pm(#
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That's what I do: I bitch and I know things.
Yes, two-toned counters would handle the problem well and give the French their long-deserved due. It would also allow the Free French OB (which doesn't seem to have been researched very much, if at all, for Croix de Guerre) to be more accurately represented.
Chas Argent - Aug 15, 2016 7:53 pm(#
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"He's just like any other man, only more so."
I was not speaking of the design of the module, but of the fact that a major actor of WW2 was neglected and its module produced long after others. Strange.
I'm not sure you can call the French a "major actor" beyond a few months in 1940, honestly. For obvious reasons, French forces certainly did not see the sheer volume of action as the Soviets/Germans/Chinese/Japanese/US/UK. Beyond those combatants, the French also suffered fewer military casualties than Italy, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, and Poland. The French arrived in ASL terms before a serious effort was made to model the Allied Minors (DB) and Axis Minors (AoO), so I don't think they were "slighted". The designers just had bigger
poisson to fry.
Mark Pitcavage - Aug 16, 2016 9:28 am(#
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That's what I do: I bitch and I know things.
I'm not sure you can call the French a "major actor" beyond a few months in 1940, honestly. For obvious reasons, French forces certainly did not see the sheer volume of action as the Soviets/Germans/Chinese/Japanese/US/UK. Beyond those combatants, the French also suffered fewer military casualties than Italy, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, and Poland. The French arrived in ASL terms before a serious effort was made to model the Allied Minors (DB) and Axis Minors (AoO), so I don't think they were "slighted". The designers just had bigger poisson to fry.
I think France has to be considered a major actor in WW2. It was the most important Allied power for the first year of the war. It had millions of men under arms and well over a hundred divisions. And by May 1945, the French had around 1.25 million men under arms again.
Mark Pitcavage - Aug 16, 2016 9:42 am(#
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It is also worth noting that the French fought in Belgium, the Netherlands, France, Germany, Italy, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Corsica, Vietnam, Cambodia, Madagascar, Senegal, Lebanon, Norway, and Gabon, and possibly elsewhere, too.
Brian Youse - Aug 16, 2016 12:04 pm(#
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Romans 7:21 (NLT)
This reminds me the situation in the video game industry where France has been declared has a minor actor of the World War I in the upcoming title Battlefield 1 and will simply not be present in the game. A joke.
Its not -quite- the same as that, at least France fought the entirety of WWI so Battlefield 1 is totally slighting them.
All that said, what would the two colors be? French blue centers with Commonwealth tan borders?
Mark Pitcavage - Aug 16, 2016 12:15 pm(#
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I think there isn't any real reason for any part of French counters to be commonwealth tan. Only a small fraction of French forces were ever armed by the British (this is one of the problems with the existing system). The other color, I think, needs to be American green.
If it is French outside, American inside, the Free French can use French weapons easily, but would have to have counters for American, British, German and Italian SW. That is basically no improvement on the existing situation.
If it is American outside, French inside, then the French can use all American SW without problem or need for new such counters. There would need to be new two-toned counters for basic French, German, Italian and British SW (mostly MG and light mortars). The Italian MG could be dropped out if space were limited.
Chas Argent - Aug 16, 2016 12:18 pm(#
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"He's just like any other man, only more so."
The Italian MG could be dropped out if space were limited.
Space is flexible. We have quite a few dies from which to choose these days.
Mark Pitcavage - Aug 16, 2016 12:24 pm(#
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That's what I do: I bitch and I know things.
Would you like me to write up my thoughts on this and send them to you?
Chas Argent - Aug 16, 2016 12:33 pm(#
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"He's just like any other man, only more so."
Please do.
Two-tone is tricky, because there is so little room for error on a 1/2" counter, and cuts are rarely perfect; but we have a pretty solid die-cutting company these days.
Brian Youse - Aug 16, 2016 1:08 pm(#
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Romans 7:21 (NLT)
And to have any value we'd need about 8 new FF scenarios. Just saying...
Mark Pitcavage - Aug 16, 2016 4:19 pm(#
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That's what I do: I bitch and I know things.
And to have any value we'd need about 8 new FF scenarios. Just saying...
I'd be willing to help with that.
Brian Youse - Aug 17, 2016 5:25 pm(#
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Romans 7:21 (NLT)
see all that effort expended in something actually useful
No one said we're doing anything except listening right now. Which you don't seem inclined to do.
Mark feel free to send that write up to Chas.
Mark Pitcavage - Aug 17, 2016 8:59 pm(#
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Brian, I will definitely do that.