chris_olden
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I think the ones I used in “Last Minute War” were the Oa Vz 30...?they had several dozen models of them, all made far before 1939. Which one is this?
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witchbottles
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This is an OA Vz 27, one model previous. 5 saw action in the Hungarian - Slovakian War of 1939. 1 was captured by the Honved. "Magyar Warriors" has a nice chapter on this little brush war. Perhaps a pair of interesting scenarios there. if one was so inclined
Perhaps a pair of interesting scenarios there. if one was so inclined 
I think you could put a single man on each of the NKL's ski mountings, thus the D17.3 allowance of 7pp of riders for all aerosans. Don't lose your grip otherwise you have a graphic demonstration of aviation's "bird strike".This one will be a bit tougher
chris_olden
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Yeah, “Last Minute War” was about that little episode. I should go look at the scenario card again. It’s been a few years.This is an OA Vz 27, one model previous. 5 saw action in the Hungarian - Slovakian War of 1939. 1 was captured by the Honved. "Magyar Warriors" has a nice chapter on this little brush war.
The Czech AC is the OA vz 30, not the OA vz 27.
The OA vz 27 was a much more complex 4x4 design. The OA line started with a twin MG turreted PA-I, morphed into the turretless (4 MG 07/24 sticking out of the corners of the superstructure) PA-II (OA vz 23) which got the nickname "Turtle" from it's rounded bullet deflecting contours and the final version was the PA-III which was adopted as the OA-27. The OA-27 had 2 water cooled MG 07/24 HMG, 1 in the turret and 1 in the hull. The MG 07/24 was a 7.92x57 mm variant of the Schwarzlose MG 07.
The OA vz 30 was a much simpler AC, built upon a 6x4 truck chassis and armed with 1 hull mounted and 1 turret mounted ZB-26 (the first of the line when led to the Bren) air cooled MG.
The OA vz 27 was a much more complex 4x4 design. The OA line started with a twin MG turreted PA-I, morphed into the turretless (4 MG 07/24 sticking out of the corners of the superstructure) PA-II (OA vz 23) which got the nickname "Turtle" from it's rounded bullet deflecting contours and the final version was the PA-III which was adopted as the OA-27. The OA-27 had 2 water cooled MG 07/24 HMG, 1 in the turret and 1 in the hull. The MG 07/24 was a 7.92x57 mm variant of the Schwarzlose MG 07.
The OA vz 30 was a much simpler AC, built upon a 6x4 truck chassis and armed with 1 hull mounted and 1 turret mounted ZB-26 (the first of the line when led to the Bren) air cooled MG.
witchbottles
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Don't let the markings fool you
That's Italian, a 149mm (150 in ASL terms) on a M15/42 chassis, the "Semovente da 149/40".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semovente_da_149/40
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semovente_da_149/40
GeorgeBates
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Pointing to the little-known fact that they were built adjacent to the Ragu factory...
witchbottles
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Not the best photo of them - the uniforms may help here
witchbottles
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6 of one, so a half-dozen of another
witchbottles
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A unique distinction for this one
Mr Incredible
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Looks like Picasso designed a cubism AFV.
Nasty bastard!!!
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Austin-Putilov conversion to a H/T with a Kegresse H/T unit to become a Austin-Kegresse, Russian or more likely Soviet. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kégresse_track
Berliet VUCL
Berliet VUDB
Austin-Putilov conversion to a H/T with a Kegresse H/T unit to become a Austin-Kegresse, Russian or more likely Soviet. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kégresse_track
witchbottles
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perhaps the best VUDB photo I have seen is the one captured by the Haganah in 1948 and used in the Jerusalem offensive.
The Austin-Kegresse has a unique distinction- the first ever purpose built half track in existence. Sure started a whole slew of AFV designs.
witchbottles
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a miniature, but completely proportional and intact in all details. The camo job does obscure some of the details unless you zoom in , such as the driver's vision slits. Make sure you get the model correct, it's not your everyday version here. Bonus points if you get the MA designation correct.
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Another migraine inducing photo.
Despite the text, as best I can figure out it is a fairly standard Panhard 178 with the 25mm SA 35 AT gun. There were a couple of 47mm versions, the first an emergency 47mm SA 35 due to the turret factory having being overrun. That turret was was quite ... inelegant ... very tall almost like a nose with the 47mm almost an afterthought. The 2nd 47mm version used an almost cylindrical turret (except for the sloped front face) a bit akin to a version M3A1 light tank turrets, but that was a post war version.
Despite the text, as best I can figure out it is a fairly standard Panhard 178 with the 25mm SA 35 AT gun. There were a couple of 47mm versions, the first an emergency 47mm SA 35 due to the turret factory having being overrun. That turret was was quite ... inelegant ... very tall almost like a nose with the 47mm almost an afterthought. The 2nd 47mm version used an almost cylindrical turret (except for the sloped front face) a bit akin to a version M3A1 light tank turrets, but that was a post war version.
witchbottles
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47 mm SA35
You did get the MA right - its a Panhard 178 B initial run. 150 in the batch - produced from August to December, 1945 - fitted with the 178's original turret and a shortened post-war model of the 47mm SA 35, rather than the planned and then replaced 75mm SA 45 L/32 gun planned for the 178 B's cylindrical turret. the "B" p[rject was stalled several times during its 1,143 vehicle production run, but the initial stall was the same reason so many Panhards were never finished by Jun 1940 armistice - a severe shortage of turrets. Since the vehicles were being demanded for use in Indochina - these3 150 received pre-war design turrets and a simple modification of the prewar 47mm gun. Ultimately, the "B"s would end with cylindrical turrets and a postwar version of the 47mm Gun.
As an aside, the AMX 3, 2 man turret was the original plan for the Panhard 178 series - severe shortages in that turret meant it was only used on 6 production units in 1939.
Paul gets two - but only for rambling until he scored on the MA.
You did get the MA right
- its a Panhard 178 B initial run. 150 in the batch - produced from August to December, 1945 - fitted with the 178's original turret and a shortened post-war model of the 47mm SA 35, rather than the planned and then replaced 75mm SA 45 L/32 gun planned for the 178 B's cylindrical turret. the "B" p[rject was stalled several times during its 1,143 vehicle production run, but the initial stall was the same reason so many Panhards were never finished by Jun 1940 armistice - a severe shortage of turrets. Since the vehicles were being demanded for use in Indochina - these3 150 received pre-war design turrets and a simple modification of the prewar 47mm gun. Ultimately, the "B"s would end with cylindrical turrets and a postwar version of the 47mm Gun.As an aside, the AMX 3, 2 man turret was the original plan for the Panhard 178 series - severe shortages in that turret meant it was only used on 6 production units in 1939.
Paul gets two - but only for rambling until he scored on the MA.
The barrel still looks far, far too long for the 47mm. Within the pixelated mess of the photo there appears to be a conical flash suppressor characteristic of the 25mm and it's about the right length for the 25mm, protruding beyond the hull front. The 47mm SA 35 would be about half the length of the 25mm, look at a S-35 or B-1 Bis, it was only a L/32. The shortened version was the SA 34 as used on the B1, early D2 and D1.
Maybe an over thick model barrel due to the limitations of moulding, whether injection or resin might have given a false impression.
Maybe an over thick model barrel due to the limitations of moulding, whether injection or resin might have given a false impression.
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