D7.21 CC Reaction Fire

[cooljrunner]

D7.21 "After completing its attack, that DEFENDER and all its possessed SW (including those inherent) and Guns are marked with a CC counter, if the vehicle has survived, to prohibit non-CC Reaction Fire attacks, and also with a First or Final Fire counter as appropriate for that attack".

My intrepid 447 and Commissar attacked using CCRF and immobilized an enemy vehicle. Are they marked with a CC counter, thus implying the vehicle survived, in addition to a First Fire counter? If yes, then no ability for them to use Subsequent First Fire?

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[klasmalmstrom]

My intrepid 447 and Commissar attacked using CCRF and immobilized an enemy vehicle. Are they marked with a CC counter, thus implying the vehicle survived, in addition to a First Fire counter? If yes, then no ability for them to use Subsequent First Fire?

Yes, they are marked "First Fire" and "CC" - but then in itself does not prohibit Subsequent First Fire. They could e.g., attack the vehicle again via CC Reaction Fire as a Subsequent First Fire attack. They can't, of course, not attack any enemy units outside of their Location, now that the enemy vehicle is in there.

 

[jrv]

An immobilized vehicle is not eliminated. The units may make a subsequent CCRF attack against the vehicle.

JR

 

[cooljrunner]

In my example the CCRF qualified for Street Fighting so the vehicle is in an ADJACENT hex and I'm marked with a First Fire and CC counter. I "think" that means no more subsequent first fire, final fire, or final protective fire for the 447, but not sure. Quite simply, does being marked with a CC counter in this case prohibit all other attacks?

 

[klasmalmstrom]

In my example the CCRF qualified for Street Fighting so the vehicle is in an ADJACENT hex and I'm marked with a First Fire and CC counter. I "think" that means no more subsequent first fire, final fire, or final protective fire for the 447, but not sure. Quite simply, does being marked with a CC counter in this case prohibit all other attacks?

No, the "CC" counter does not prohibit SFF or FPF attacks - it just prohibits "Non-CC Reaction Fire attacks".

 

[jrv]

No, the "CC" counter does not prohibit SFF or FPF attacks - it just prohibits "Non-CC Reaction Fire attacks".

Now that you say this, I realize that D7.21 can be read two ways. The phrase, "to prohibit Non-CC Reaction Fire attacks," can be read as prohibiting all *attacks* that are not CC Reaction Fire (which would prevent SFF/FPF on the IIFT), or as prohibiting all *Reaction Fire attacks* that are not CC Reaction Fire attacks (which would allow SFF/FPF on the IIFT). I have always read it as the former, and you favor the latter I take it. Having only just realized that it could be read in different ways, I don't see any reason to favor one reading or the other. Is there any rules support favoring one reading or the other?

JR

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Now that you say this, I realize that D7.21 can be read two ways. The phrase, "to prohibit Non-CC Reaction Fire attacks," can be read as prohibiting all *attacks* that are not CC Reaction Fire (which would prevent SFF/FPF on the IIFT), or as prohibiting all *Reaction Fire attacks* that are not CC Reaction Fire attacks (which would allow SFF/FPF on the IIFT). I have always read it as the former, and you favor the latter I take it. Having only just realized that it could be read in different ways, I don't see any reason to favor one reading or the other. Is there any rules support favoring one reading or the other?

It means that it prohibits D7.22 Non-CC Reaction Fire attacks, i.e., the latter..

D7.22:
7.22 NON-CC REACTION FIRE: Each unbroken DEFENDER unit in an OVR Location and not beneath a CC/Melee counter may conduct Non-CC Reaction Fire within (and up to the limits of) its present capabilities, using TPBF/ordnance/FT/Thrown-DC in the normal manner vs that OVRing vehicle [EXC: if that DEFENDER is marked with a Final Fire counter, see 7.221; if it possesses a Gun that is marked with a fire counter, see 7.23; if it is pinned, see A7.81]...."