Conservative lying at its best - Parkland HS shooting and student "actors"

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Time to move off what happened 70+ years ago. A lot of context that is getting left out on both sides makes it a continuous circle jerk with no clear goal in mind.
Agreed, only France and the British Commonwealth fought the Axis without being attacked or too late to make a difference, so few real saints in that conflict.
 

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Agreed, only France and the British Commonwealth fought the Axis without being attacked or too late to make a difference, so few real saints in that conflict.
We fought without being attacked to the limit we could. FDR knew it was coming. America at the time just wasn't ready to join the war. How many merchant marines lost their lives running the North Atlantic to bring you food and materials to keep England going on '40 and '41? We escorted convoys to the limits of what we could. It is true to say we didn't declare war before then. -- jim
 

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I don't disagree. My point is that Ireland also had a major internal political brake on joining the Allies but without the resources and muscle that the US had.
 

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I don't disagree. My point is that Ireland also had a major internal political brake on joining the Allies but without the resources and muscle that the US had.
So you acknowledge your political brake and chose to ignore the US's? So much for intellectual honesty I guess. -- jim
 

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So you acknowledge your political brake and chose to ignore the US's?
No.

Edit: As I was responding to an American I assumed that said American would be familiar with the US's internal issues. I pointed out the factors that he most likely was not aware of, especially the strength of anti-English emotions amongst so many here.
 
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No.

Edit: As I was responding to an American I assumed that said American would be familiar with the US's internal issues. I pointed out the factors that he most likely was not aware of, especially the strength of anti-English emotions amongst so many here.
Sure, that's what you were doing. I am sure your anti-American, anti-Trumpness had nothing to do with you ignoring the obvious similarities that precluded your intervention while being completely irrelevant to ours. I mean, why let the truth get in the way of nice smug screed? -- jim
 

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Actually I was trying to argue the equivalency. The fact that I gave credit to both the French and British despite the fact that the British have been our enemies for nearly a millennium, should bely that. The fact that you are so touchy about WW2 indicates that you too appear to buy into the "always late" myth.
 

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Agreed, only France and the British Commonwealth fought the Axis without being attacked or too late to make a difference, so few real saints in that conflict.
The stupidity of the boomer always reveals itself when the boomer tries to tie everything into "the good war" or invoke's Godwin's Law.
 

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Actually I was trying to argue the equivalency. The fact that I gave credit to both the French and British despite the fact that the British have been our enemies for nearly a millennium, should bely that. The fact that you are so touchy about WW2 indicates that you too appear to buy into the "always late" myth.
I am not touchy about the subject at all. I am touchy about holding one side to a standard while at the same time dismissing that standard when applied to their own side. I hold that true in all endeavors and when I see it, I do my level best to expose the hypocrisy as I have done here. The fact you keep spinning in the wind indicates you still continue to argue as if your point had merit. I assure, it still does not. -- jim
 

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So how does mentioning the fact that neither the US nor Ireland declared war on the Axis without being the victim of a major attack make it an argument solely against the US? Both had suffered lesser attacks, in Ireland's case the Dublin North Strand bombing, in the US's case the Ruben James sinking. Neither was prepared to go to war without being really forced. I did not argue that either should without such an attack. If I had argued that the US should but Ireland shouldn't then it would be one sided or visa versa and your charges would be justified, but as I didn't your charges have no merit. The closest I came to that was in post 17 when I pointed out that the US was no different to most countries who did not declare war against the Axis until effectively forced to do. Until then the US supplied material, Ireland supplied warm bodies. My argument in post 17 was one of moral equivalency, not difference.

You are clearly responding to what you imagined I posted or would post rather than what I posted.
 

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You never focus on the issues and you look at everything through the lens of the "good war." We aren't in the era of great power conflicts anymore. I made a detailed post about my thoughts on this but nobody had anything intelligent to say. I think that because you boomers look at everything moralistically rather than logically, like women, you never get past going around in circles that inevitably lead back to Hitler and Nazis and the catastrophic war in Europe.

Me, personally, I don't think this kid is a government plant and that this was orchestrated like Sandy Hoax. I think that Occam's Razor applies: He is a leftist, and he goes to a predominantly Jewish school in Florida. Most likely he has been encouraged to speak out about his beliefs for his entire life, and if his father actually was an FBI agent, then he has most likely been steered in a direction to show contempt and mistrust for the average American. The most suspicious thing is that fake interview which I posted, because there is no logical explanation as to why students would even be talking during a massacre, much less pontificating on why Americans need to be stripped of the liberties our nation was founded to uphold.
 

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You've stepped into the trap--the US is never morally equivalent. We are, in all things, exceptional.
I wish that were the case still as it was before Woodrow Wilson. We couldn't have stopped Europe from destroying itself, and we shouldn't have joined in. Maybe in the future we can act as an example to them, although Poland and Hungary are far better examples for their current crisis of importing violent third world animals into their countries.
 

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address me directly you chickenshit. I'm ready any time to utterly destroy you in a debate...again.
If I wanted to address you, I would. Mostly, you're not worth my time. If you want to debate more, post your name and unit and stop hiding behind a pseudonym. Or don't and we will know who the real chickenshit is. Either way, you want my attention sunshine, that's the price you pay. Your move sport. -- jim
 

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You've stepped into the trap--the US is never morally equivalent. We are, in all things, exceptional.
We are exceptional. Few nations can claim they have improved the lives of mankind around the world more than they have destroyed it. The good ole USA can make that claim easily.

UK is net positive.
Germany is net negative - still digging their sorry asses out of the WWI and WWII hole.
Japan is likely net negative - see Germany above.
Russia - Slightly positive unless you count murdering their own
France is likely positive
Italy is probably breakeven. Pissed away all the accomplishments of the 14th and 15th century with its run through Africa.
 

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If I wanted to address you, I would. Mostly, you're not worth my time. If you want to debate more, post your name and unit and stop hiding behind a pseudonym. Or don't and we will know who the real chickenshit is. Either way, you want my attention sunshine, that's the price you pay. Your move sport. -- jim
Literally doing what I said: threats and conceit in your position in an unjust system. You are too stupid to debate me and you know it.