Concealment/HIP loss for units with AFV in bypass in their hex

Simon62

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Hi,

Can anyone please clarify the following for me:

If a AFV ends its mph in bypass in a building hex containing a concealed enemy unit and an HIP enemy unit on the ground floor and a concealed and HIP unit on the first floor what happens with the concealment/HIP status of these units. I think that if the AFV just moves through the hex via bypass and does not END it's move there then there is no loss of concealment or HIP unless the owning player wants to reveal units.

  1. all units loose their concealment HIP status on both floors.
  2. the ground floor units loose their concealment/HIP but the 1st floor units retain theirs
  3. no units loose their concealment/HIP status on either floor of the building.
  4. the concealed units loose concealment but the HIP units remain HIP.
  5. the concealed units loose concealment and the HIP units are placed on board under a concealment counter
  6. something else
Finally what if there where 2 stories with concealed/HIP units on the second floor would the same result apply to the second floor as well

Thanks for the help in advance

simon
 

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HIP and Concealment is lost if they are in an obstacle that an enemy AFV ends its MPh. So, 1.
 

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I think only the ground floor is affected.

A12.42 BYPASS: A vehicle entering a concealed enemy’s Location using Bypass may not attempt an OVR as part of that entry or even be informed of any hidden unit(s) therein. Concealed unit(s) in the Location are revealed due to the vehicle’s presence only voluntarily, or if the vehicle/its-Passenger(s)/Rider(s) end its MPh in that Location [EXC: a “broken” vehicle cannot cause concealment loss; 12.1]. Since a Bypassing vehicle occupies only the hex containing the terrain being Bypassed (C.5C), it has no effect on the concealment of any unit(s) in an adjacent hex.

The Concealment Loss/Gain Table says ...
... is in an obstacle where a vehicle ends its MPh in Bypass (A12.42),

So there is a conflict, which is to be solved by the Table. (A12.121) So apparently my initial thinking was wrong.

Yet what if the obstacle is a several-hex building and the vehicle is in bypass of that "obstacle" in a different hex? (I doubt that is intended--and it is disallowed by the last sentence of A12.42.)
 
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