Binchois
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Gentlemen:
I am using ASL 181 (Gavin Take) as a teaching scenario to help a fellow Forumite relearn the ASLRB. A complex situation arose, and I don't want to steer a guy the wrong way! Here's the situation:
Concealed U.S. Paratrooper in U2 wants to reach W3 while avoiding an obvious, concealed kill-stack in U8. In retrospect, he should have bypassed around T1, but I guess wanted to give this challenger something really complex to consider...
The American Dashes into V2 en route to W3. The Germans decide to make a Snap Shot as the unit crosses the hedge and - surprisingly! - the shot is clear (even though the VASL string says otherwise - Trust But Verify, damn it!). He uses 8FP with a -1 leader (4-6-7 plus MMG)! But what happens? Here how I called the shot:
The Germans take the shot at 1/8th firepower (halved thrice) due to the combined effects of U.S. concealment, Snap Shot and Dash. These two rules guide my interpretation:
The MMG maintains ROF, but there can only be one shot from a firer for each Snap Shot opportunity. No further shots taken.
All good so far? I think so, but am curious if there are contrary opinions. More troubling to me is the following:
Regarding concealment, we have been trying to follow the ASLRB literally rather than to add some commonly-employed "house rules" just yet. But several problems arise that are relevant to this situation, IMO:
I am using ASL 181 (Gavin Take) as a teaching scenario to help a fellow Forumite relearn the ASLRB. A complex situation arose, and I don't want to steer a guy the wrong way! Here's the situation:
Concealed U.S. Paratrooper in U2 wants to reach W3 while avoiding an obvious, concealed kill-stack in U8. In retrospect, he should have bypassed around T1, but I guess wanted to give this challenger something really complex to consider...
The American Dashes into V2 en route to W3. The Germans decide to make a Snap Shot as the unit crosses the hedge and - surprisingly! - the shot is clear (even though the VASL string says otherwise - Trust But Verify, damn it!). He uses 8FP with a -1 leader (4-6-7 plus MMG)! But what happens? Here how I called the shot:
The Germans take the shot at 1/8th firepower (halved thrice) due to the combined effects of U.S. concealment, Snap Shot and Dash. These two rules guide my interpretation:
- A12.141 "A Snap Shot attack opportunity is not sufficient to cause the moving unit to lose its concealment unless the attack generates a "PTC" or better result."
- A8.15 EXample demonstrates that a Snap Shot and Dash does result in quartered firepower.
The MMG maintains ROF, but there can only be one shot from a firer for each Snap Shot opportunity. No further shots taken.
All good so far? I think so, but am curious if there are contrary opinions. More troubling to me is the following:
Regarding concealment, we have been trying to follow the ASLRB literally rather than to add some commonly-employed "house rules" just yet. But several problems arise that are relevant to this situation, IMO:
- The EXception to A6.11 implies that a free LOS check can be made even before declaring a shot (a rule which I typically prefer to modify: "No LOS check before declaring shot!"). But employing A6.11 comes against A12.141 which states that a Snap Shot opportunity cannot be used to strip concealment. Thus I allowed the German no free check, and his shot suffered the additional FP halving.
- Next, the Concealment Table confirms that a unit which takes a shot within enemy LOS itself loses concealment. But if a unit attempts a blocked shot, and it is otherwise out of LOS to all enemy units, it should not lose concealment. I've always played it that way, but does my opinion have consensus?
- Furthermore, my understanding is that when the non-assault moving target and the firer are the only opposing units with LOS to each other, the shot will strip concealment to both (obviously only considering similar situations - not cases using HIP Guns, Night, some PTO situations, etc...) - even when the target is eliminated (that brief, pre-DR "interaction" between two opponents representing the instant of concealment loss - A12.14: "When a unit loses concealment... its "?" is removed immediately"). Thoughts?
- And finally, however one interprets the above, a Snap Shot LOS remains a non-Concealment loss situation (unless the target suffers a PTC or worse)... In the end, my primary question: Will the German units that fired (including leader) end this attack still concealed? Will the remaining HS (now pinned in V2 and still out-of-LOS) remain concealed?
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