Cannister

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We are about to play Buckley's Block next week.
I'd just like to clarify the Cannister rules as we have not used that very often.

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In the pic above there are 5 possible target vertices. I am assuming that you need LOS to one of the cluster hexes and not the vertex itself.
If we shoot at:
1) O9,O10,P9 ,
O9 12 FP +1DRM, resid 4fp​
P9 12 FP+2 DRM, resid 2fp​
O10 na, blocked by N9​
2) O9,O10,N9
O9 12 FP +1 DRM resid 4fp​
O10 na​
N9 12 FP+2 drm resid 4fp​
3) O10, N9, N10
O10 na​
N9 na​
N9 12FP +2drm resid 4fp​
4) N9,N10,M10
N9 12 FP +2 drm, resid 4fp​
M10 12FP +2 drm, resid 4fp​
N10 na​
5) N10, M10,M1
M10 12 fp +2 drm, resid 4fp​
N10 na​
M1 na​
The Cannister shot would leave residual fp, unless rof is maintained?

If a japanese squad was moving N10, M10 (bypass around the back), L10. We couldn't have a shot because he is not in LOS?
If there was residual in the M10 from a shot at a previously moved unit, the bypassing unit would be attacked by the residual fp? (In practice the squad would probably bypass around M1 instead)

Cannister vs Bamboo is a +1 drm? (The -1 doesn't apply because it has IFT equivalency, not a HE equivalency)
 
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Looks correct to me. The hex vertices are only relevant to determining which hexes form part of the potential targets and LOS to them is not required. LOS to the target hexes is determined normally and can be blocked by obstacles in the first rows.

C8.4... Canister is fired at a common vertex and elevation shared by three hexes which is two hexsides distant (excluding the firing hex) and, barring obstacles in the first hex of the cluster, affects all occupants of all hexes per A7.4 at that elevation (and in the firer's LOS) although LOS Hindrances and the individual TEM of each Location may vary the results in each hex. LOS to the vertex aiming point is not required...
 
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It looks correct. Also, C8.41, firing at groups (1) and (2) would attack targets in N8 with 6FP+0, firing at (4) and (5) would attack targets in M9 with 6FP+0, and firing at group (3) would attack targets in N8 and M9 with 2FP+0.

The Cannister shot would leave residual fp, unless rof is maintained?
Correct, but you can forgo ROF to leave residual FP, A8.23.

If a japanese squad was moving N10, M10 (bypass around the back), L10. We couldn't have a shot because he is not in LOS?
Correct, you can't affect a target out of your LOS. You wouldn't leave RFP since A8.2 says "When a unit is attacked by Defensive First Fire..."; if you fire at a unit out of your LOS, it does not get attacked.

If there was residual in the M10 from a shot at a previously moved unit, the bypassing unit would be attacked by the residual fp? (In practice the squad would probably bypass around M1 instead)
Yes, A8.2. You don't have to remember where the RFP came from. It would be attacked with -1 FFNAM and +1 Woods (or Light Jungle) TEM.

Cannister vs Bamboo is a +1 drm? (The -1 doesn't apply because it has IFT equivalency, not a HE equivalency)
+1 TEM because Canister is not HE; the equivalency doesn't matter.
 

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A follow up question:

Can the target of a HW, Banzai charge be concealed? I thought not but can't see it explicitly stated
Similarly, can the Japanese create a TH-Hero if it only sees a concealed vehicle?

A squad bypasses a wood hex. It gets DFF and breaks. It is now in the woods. Can it get further DFF in the woods hex by units that had no LOS to the BP location?
 

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A follow up question:

Can the target of a HW, Banzai charge be concealed? I thought not but can't see it explicitly stated
Similarly, can the Japanese create a TH-Hero if it only sees a concealed vehicle?
Why ask a question that has nothing to do with Canister?
It is far better to open a new thread, so that people will find that question in an easier way when making a search.

To answer it nevertheless, the rule doesn't specify that the enemy unit must be known.
 

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A follow up question:

Can the target of a HW, Banzai charge be concealed? I thought not but can't see it explicitly stated
Similarly, can the Japanese create a TH-Hero if it only sees a concealed vehicle?

A squad bypasses a wood hex. It gets DFF and breaks. It is now in the woods. Can it get further DFF in the woods hex by units that had no LOS to the BP location?
A berserk unit needs a known target, the others do not.

CHARGE: At the start of the MPh, each non-Melee berserk unit must charge the nearest (in hexes not MF) Known enemy unit in its LOS

At least one unit in the HW chain must have a LOS to an enemy unit (the 'target') within eight hexes which the chain will move towards during that MPh. The units
 
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