Building control softball question.

[Roy]

A single story building is occupied by a leader and hero. If an enemy mmc advances into it, does the mmc then automatically control that building even before cc?

Sorry for the gimme question, and I did a small search, but this is much easier to get an answer.

Thanks in advance.

 

[jrv]

No. To control one must have an (enemy in this case) MMC (/vehicle) without the presence of a (friendly in this case) MMC/vehicle/SMC. The presence of a broken wounded 6+1 can prevent control change.

JR

 

[STAVKA]

A single story building is occupied by a leader and hero. If an enemy mmc advances into it, does the mmc then automatically control that building even before cc?

Sorry for the gimme question, and I did a small search, but this is much easier to get an answer.

Thanks in advance.

No, the building has to be devoid of the 2 enemy units before Control can be attained.
If in the CC all units are eliminated, Control still remains with the Hero & Leader side.
If the MMC rolls a DR of 2 in CC and infiltrate out of the building after eliminating both SMC then the building still remains in Control of both the dead SMC.

 

[Tater]

No. To control one must have an (enemy in this case) MMC (/vehicle) without the presence of a (friendly in this case) MMC/vehicle/SMC. The presence of a broken wounded 6+1 can prevent control change.

JR

Just a clarification...a vehicle doesn't control a building (A26.11-.12). An armed/non-bypassing vehicle can control a hex/location but only as long as it remains in that hex/location. Once the vehicle leaves that hex/location, control reverts to it's prior status (including previously enemy controlled).

This is important for "control" VC's as a vehicle in a single hex/location of a multi-location building would not grant/change control of a building nor does it permanently change the control status of hexes/locations.

 

[MajorDomo]

No, the building has to be devoid of the 2 enemy units before Control can be attained.
If in the CC all units are eliminated, Control still remains with the Hero & Leader side.
If the MMC rolls a DR of 2 in CC and infiltrate out of the building after eliminating both SMC then the building still remains in Control of both the dead SMC.

I have always played that if the MMC in your example rolled snakes, then CC became sequential, enemy eliminated, building control passes to unit rolling snakes whether it leaves or stays to receive the return CC roll.

Not sure which is correct.

Rich

 

[klasmalmstrom]

I have always played that if the MMC in your example rolled snakes, then CC became sequential, enemy eliminated, building control passes to unit rolling snakes whether it leaves or stays to receive the return CC roll.

Not sure which is correct.

If the MMC rolls "snakes" and does not afterwards Withdraw, then the SMC get to attack back. If they then kill the MMC, they retain Control.

 

[MajorDomo]

If the MMC rolls "snakes" and does not afterwards Withdraw, then the SMC get to attack back. If they then kill the MMC, they retain Control.

OK, so if they withdraw they have gained control. Seems reasonable.

Thanks,

Rich

 

[klasmalmstrom]

OK, so if they withdraw they have gained control. Seems reasonable.

Yes, assuming they remain inside the building (I think).

 

[STAVKA]

I have always played that if the MMC in your example rolled snakes, then CC became sequential, enemy eliminated, building control passes to unit rolling snakes whether it leaves or stays to receive the return CC roll.

Not sure which is correct.

Rich

Then you have played it wrong, unless you stayed and survived in the building location that only consist of one Location.

Let us assume it is a building with more than one Location, then if you Roll a DR of 2 you can often immediately infiltrate within the same building and gain Control of it, but if you want to gain Control of the Building Hex you must stand still and fight it out with the 2 dead-men-Standing.

 

[Eagle4ty]

In as much as one can gain control of a building by simply passing through it in the MPh (all other criteria being met) and to the fact that CC would become sequential, leaving only the the surviving units of one side alone in the building at the moment of conclusion of its CC attack; I would suggest that building control is gained/lost/retained at that instance even if one chose to withdraw those units. Why else would the nature of sequential CC be offered as an option.

 

[Jeff Sewall]

Infiltration doesn't actually turn simultaneous CC into sequential CC. It only interjects a withdrawal option into the normal simultaneous CC sequence. I think you would agree that if the attacker side stays to receive the return attack and they are also eliminated, control would remain with the defender. So why would they get control if they withdraw prior to that?