Bridge TEM

[JimWhite]

I seem to recall (correctly I think) that at some point in the past an additional -1 bridge TEM (in addition to FFMO) was added and it caused quite the kerfuffle back then.

Is that still in play or was it rescinded? I think maybe it was the latter...just want to confirm either way.

 

[lightspeed]

Rescinded. It was on the Chapter B divider. MMP said the -1 on the chart represented the possibility of FFMO applying.
Forgive me if I’ve made a mistake…this is from memory.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

From ASL Journal 8 and Action Pack 4: B6.3: In lines 3-4, disregard the B6.3 errata from the Journal 7 Debriefing; instead, after “regardless of LOF)” replace “is” with “and Residual FP attacks are”. [If correcting the Journal 7 errata instead of disregarding it, delete the phrase “with a TEM of -1 which is cumulative with other TEM (e.g., AFV/Wreck) and FFMO/FFNAM”]

 

[Mr Incredible]

Whilst on this TEM thing, when does the +1 TEM come into play? Is it only when it enters the hex and clips/crosses the bridge artwork? Or, if it is not directly down the road, is it +1, irrespective of if it clips/crosses the bridge artwork?

 

[ScottRomanowski]

The bridge artwork doesn't seem to matter, only the road artwork. B6.2 says a non-pontoon bridge Hinders LOS "unless that LOS is traced only through the road depiction of the Bridge", and B6.31 says the Bridge's +1 TEM applies to targets on a bridge against Direct Fire "which enters the bridge other than across the road depiction". (A Bridge counter is handled differently in those two rules.) I think the "enters the bridge" in B6.31 refers to how the LOS enters the bridge hex, i.e., where the road depiction crosses the hexsides.

As I understand that, fire from EE6 to Z9 enters the bridge hex through the road depiction and does not get the +1 TEM. Fire from EE10 does get the +1 TEM, as does fire from U10.

 

[Tuomo]

Board 5. Worst road network ever.

 

[Gordon]

Government "cost plus" contract needed to be padded.

 

[Michael R]

I though fire from U10 would not receive the +1 TEM because the LOF does not cross the bridge illustration.

 

[Eagle4ty]

I though fire from U10 would not receive the +1 TEM because the LOF does not cross the bridge illustration.

I believe the shot from U10 does engender the +1 Hindrance/TEM because as B6.2-6.31 state "...unless that LOS is traced only through the road depiction of the Bridge" & "...which is traced only through the road depiction...". Since the shot from U10 enters Z9 through an OG portion of the hex and not entirely along the road depiction (i.e. not only through the road depiction), the +1 must apply to the shot.

 

[Larry]

B6.2 -- "(unless that LOS is traced only through the road depiction of the Bridge)."
But for bridge counters: "Bridge counters are Inherent Terrain (B.6) but LOS into/through
its hex does not incur the Bridge Hindrance/TEM if it crosses only road hexsides
(exclusive of vertices) of that hex."

The artwork matters for printed bridges. The hexsides matter for bridge counters.

B6.3 muddies the water: "traced only through the road depiction of that bridge hex."

B6.31 returns to the bridge art versus counter distinction:

Direct Fire against targets on a non-pontoon bridge (not against the
bridge itself) which enters the bridge other than across the road depiction (or
road hexside of a Bridge counter’s hex; 6.2) has a TEM of +1 regardless of
bridge construction type.

Given the symmetry between 6.2 and 6.31 in making a distinction between printed and counters, I think that Michael has it right.

 

[Eagle4ty]

B6.2 -- "(unless that LOS is traced only through the road depiction of the Bridge)."
But for bridge counters: "Bridge counters are Inherent Terrain (B.6) but LOS into/through
its hex does not incur the Bridge Hindrance/TEM if it crosses only road hexsides
(exclusive of vertices) of that hex."

The artwork matters for printed bridges. The hexsides matter for bridge counters.

B6.3 muddies the water: "traced only through the road depiction of that bridge hex."

B6.31 returns to the bridge art versus counter distinction:



Given the symmetry between 6.2 and 6.31 in making a distinction between printed and counters, I think that Michael has it right.

I would certainly be willing to give it to you on a dr 1-3.

 

[Stewart]

I believe the shot from U10 does engender the +1 Hindrance/TEM because as B6.2-6.31 state "...unless that LOS is traced only through the road depiction of the Bridge" & "...which is traced only through the road depiction...". Since the shot from U10 enters Z9 through an OG portion of the hex and not entirely along the road depiction (i.e. not only through the road depiction), the +1 must apply to the shot.

As Larry stated. It does cross the depiction, just not the depiction on the hexside which isn't stipulated.

 

[Eagle4ty]

As Larry stated. It does cross the depiction, just not the depiction on the hexside which isn't stipulated.

Therein lies the quandary.

 

[Jeff Leslie]

We're having another discussion on this same issue. I say the bridge artwork itself is irrelevant, how the LOS/LOF enters the printed bridge hex is what matters.

B6.3 & B6.31 Bridge TEM application

The image is from the Pegasus Bridge 2nd Edition (currently in playtest). There has been some discussion about whether or not fire on the Y19 bridge location would be subject to the +1 Bridge TEM or the -1 Bridge Open Ground TEM. Partly due to the "flare out" at the top end of the bridge...

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