Boards in Journals?

[Petros]

Well, as someone who might be involved, my comments,
I like this idea a lot. I have many many sketches of new geoboards which can be easily translated to real geoboards (beyond those already ear-marked for future APs) that MMP can publish if and how they want; ie. in Journals.
Right now, I'm playing with more open feeling, rural Russia looking maps. Could be used anywhere really, and are less civilized looking than our existing open looking boards.
Don :bandit:

 

[Enkindu]

New Website

I hope it is like the previous website or better. I know MMP downshift on the website to less graphics so it would load quicker on all the dialup players computers. I hope by now most players are on DSL or something, so the website can be "purty" again.

 

[kdalton]

I've seen come of the draft GUI work and I think people will be happy. More organization, more modern feel. Still needs some tweaking, but we're getting there.

 

[Gunner Scott]

Hi-

Is there a time line when J6 goes to Press? will it include counters which might be needed for the HASL included?

Scott

 

[Loquitor]

I voted yes because I like the new style maps and I like new maps.... but after reading some other comments I agree with Ron....the ASL house does not seem to be in order. Before promising more stuff how about getting everything already promised in line.

 

[Gunner Scott]

I dunno, if this HASL is anything like Operation Marston, they are going to need to put out extra counters to cover the extra's needed for both OB's.


Scott

I voted yes because I like the new style maps and I like new maps.... but after reading some other comments I agree with Ron....the ASL house does not seem to be in order. Before promising more stuff how about getting everything already promised in line.

 

[kdalton]

We haven't promised to put the boards in Journals, and we haven't made a definitive decision. That's why we're asking for input before we do it.

 

[Aries]

More boards? Did I actually hear that correct? More boards, new ones even?

And we have people bitchin about not having access to the already existing ones?

Who comes up with these ideas?

In a Journal?

So we can inflate the prices higher still?

Oh maybe it will help out with eBay sales? Is that the idea?

Come on guys lets think about this.

You include a board, that is only in a Journal, that will go out of print in time like everything else. People will need that board because other guys will insist on designing scenarios with it in mind. But people won't have the board, and it will only annoy a sizable portion of us.

I am flat out voting no. Insert older boards so that a newb can buy a Journal get the latest gossip and some scenarios and a board he might have missed simply because he isn't like guys like me that have owned the game for years.

I will take the hit on a slightly more expensive Journal if I can at least know the new guys will have a bit more ease getting those boards.

Want my view on a cool insert. Give us guys that might not have every new edition version module counter sheets with counters that have since been corrected.

New boards I don't need, but most of us could use corrected counters, and I doubt any of us will complain about a few additional counters for those bigger HASL battles eh.

You can't make the boards neat enough to make them more useful to me than counters.

 

[Pitman]

Exsqueeze me? Don't print mapboards because everybody might not be able to get them, and therefore would be irritated, but print the counters, because everybody might not be able to get them, and therefore would be...happy? I smell a little inconsistency there.

The notion that MMP should hold off on including geo mapboards in the Journal because some day the Journal might go out of print and there might not be extra mapboards for sale and therefore some ASLer out there might not be able to play a scenario seems more than a little silly to me.

Give me a break. Since when should ASL be limited such that it cannot advance unless everybody advances together? When did the world of ASL become a communist state?

 

[Aries]

First of all congrats on yet again using the stupidity of the communist system of government in yet another unimaginative put down.

Second, your response is confusing.

You would rather use the Journal to produce an item that will only serve to add to the workload rather than as a means to assist others?

Hmm would you mind if I called you a pointless imperialist capitalist elitist?

I hope the sarcasm reaches you as to how idiotic the communist comment was eh.

Your lack of interest in aiding the new guy though is duly noted.

Yeah I won't suffer if they never employ the Journal to put some of the older 50 plus boards into circulation, I already own them.

And yes, I can get buy without the counters, but they would be nice to get. It would be one more reason to encourage me to buy a magazine that comes with an average price tag of a new computer game.

No inconsistency at all. I merely chose an insert that might go a bit further and do a bit more and aid a bit.
The Journal will go out of print eventually regardless of what is in it or not in it.
Better to use it to give the new gamer one more additional way to catch up, as opposed to producing yet one more way to add to an already large pile.

 

[rdw5150]

Aries,

I found you first response to be pretty condescending, and I do not blame Mark for responding as he did. While the “communist” analogy tends to be overdone I can see his point. You seem to want all ASLers, regardless of time in the hobby to have the same stuff.

While I am all for helping newbies,

Why should I pay an extra $5 for a Journal with a map I already have?

Why should I pay extra for a Journal with corrected counters, chances are, I already have?

You do not see a need for new boards? Why?

I gotta tell ya, this it the first time I have heard this from someone who has been in ASL and has all the old boards.

I am assuming that all new maps will be available for sale through MMP. But of course, I may be wrong since I do not think that ASLSK maps are available for separate purchase yet.

I think that there is an inherit cost of getting into ANY hobby. Take for instance, plastic models. You need to buy the models (or course), but you also need to buy some tools, paints, if you want, an airbrush, etc.


Roger

 

[purdyrc]

First of all congrats on yet again using the stupidity of the communist system of government in yet another unimaginative put down.

You would rather use the Journal to produce an item that will only serve to add to the workload rather than as a means to assist others?

You would rather use the Journal to produce items (and add cost) that most older players have already. Why should I pay another $5 for a board I already have? Or for a countersheet I don't need? These components should be available seperately and purchased a la carte by those who need them.

I don't think your personal attacks against Mark are warranted. If you have an issue with the substance of his post, that's fine. But your attacks missed the point Mark was trying to make which is why should the grogs subsidize the newbies? That's the kind of "communist" thinking Mark was talking about. Putting older items in the Journal that folks already have is making those who have the products to pay extra for something they don't want or need. On the other hand, putting new maps in the magazine is an example of "value added" capitalism (to continue the political analogy) that benefits everyone. Everyone who buys the magazine will get something new that they don't have.

The newbies (myself included) can purchase the maps they want seperately from MMP. I did. And other newbies can too. Existing players shouldn't be forced to subsidize the newcomers.

- Rick

 

[Aries]

Ok forget it all then, put new boards in the Journal.

Like I said it won't hurt me.

"While I am all for helping newbies"

So my question is, how exactly do you want to help them?

"These components should be available seperately and purchased a la carte by those who need them."

If all these items were actually available as separate items, yes I would fully agree. They ain't.

 

[Chas Argent]

I don't think your personal attacks against Mark are warranted. If you have an issue with the substance of his post, that's fine. But your attacks missed the point Mark was trying to make...
- Rick

Agreed. Please control the personal stuff and make your points some other way.

 

[Nat Mallet]

One question: by adding a new board to the system, is it an implicit assumption that scenarios that make use of that board will be in the Journal as well?

I think it's a good idea either way, both for newbies and veterans. For newbies, it's an extra bit of material they can get if they want. If they don't get it, no big loss, since there's a huge pile of scenarios and boards that can be used anyway.

For veterans, it's new material. And new, optional, material is always a good thing, in my opinion.


Nat

 

[Chas Argent]

This would also be a good way to dispense with the Action Pack idea altogether and combine the functions of both Journal and AP into a common effort. You could still have scenarios in the Journal that had nothing to do with the board(s) that came with it.

 

[kdalton]

Yep, some of the journal scenarios will feature the board included.

One question: by adding a new board to the system, is it an implicit assumption that scenarios that make use of that board will be in the Journal as well?

I think it's a good idea either way, both for newbies and veterans. For newbies, it's an extra bit of material they can get if they want. If they don't get it, no big loss, since there's a huge pile of scenarios and boards that can be used anyway.

For veterans, it's new material. And new, optional, material is always a good thing, in my opinion.


Nat

 

[byouse]

One question: by adding a new board to the system, is it an implicit assumption that scenarios that make use of that board will be in the Journal as well?

Yes, we're not going to just print boards with nothing for them to do. 8)

 

[Houlie]

On a map-related topic, I heard that both RB maps were essentially sold out at MMP? Is this true? I was placing an order for a couple back up RB maps and some other components and the lady mentioned there's only a couple sets left.

Just curious if there are plans to reprint these (or other HASL maps) in the forseeable future?

Thanks!

 

[Pitman]

Having new boards in the journal gives great added value to the journal and also makes the scenarios in the journal more exciting, because you will be able to play a couple with the new board right away. This idea would also give MMP the freedom to release more unusual boards or to experiment with different board styles, if they so desired. And it would be easier to get these out than to get action packs out, because action packs have a whole set of scenarios with them.