BFP PTO article , is this pillbox-in-jungle section right?

[skye88]

BFP PTO article , is this pillbox-in-kunai section right?

I don't get this;


Page 8 (right under figure 7a) : "however when the 6-6-6 enters L2 , the pillbox and its contents must be placed on board. Because of the pillbox G .4 detection does not apply".

Okay, fine, i'm there... But the pillbox is in Kunai.
My question: Isn't it placed onboard concealed? (also see last sentence of G .4).

If it is indeed placed concealed on board, then another piece of the article might be wrong (later on the page) : "in L2 CC is conducted normally with no ambush dr."

There would be an ambush dr I guess of the contents of that pillbox in L2 were placed onboard concealed earlier?


Thoughts?

 

[tim bunce]

Re: BFP PTO article , is this pillbox-in-kunai section right?

Fortifications can not be concealed, either HIP or not. Contentents can be, but no area fire vs pillbox contents. Dont think ambush applies to pillboxes and no HtH CC either. NRBH.

Tim

 

[skye88]

Re: BFP PTO article , is this pillbox-in-kunai section right?

The contents of a pillbox can be concealed. Special rule is that full firepower is still used when firing on this unit (no area fire). It is however still concealed for ambush purposes isn'it?

 

[Chas]

Re: BFP PTO article , is this pillbox-in-kunai section right?

G.4 is an exception. PBs (contents) do not fall into this exception per G.4.

I may be off a number or two, but read E1.16 and A12.31. In summary, a unit moves into a hex with HIP PB/Unit. The PB is placed on board, and so are its contents, unconcealed.

Your reference to what about the last sentence of G.4. That is the big exception where stealthy units in certain terrain can wait and then are put on board concealed at such a point and an ambush can occur. This does not apply to units in PBs as stated up front in that rules section.

Chas

 

[Morbii]

Re: BFP PTO article , is this pillbox-in-kunai section right?

Fortifications can not be concealed, either HIP or not. Contentents can be, but no area fire vs pillbox contents. Dont think ambush applies to pillboxes and no HtH CC either. NRBH.

Tim

Ambush applies to Pillboxes if there is concealment or ambush terrain involved. There's even a (really bad modifier) for being in one.

 

[skye88]

Re: BFP PTO article , is this pillbox-in-kunai section right?

G.4 is an exception. PBs (contents) do not fall into this exception per G.4.

The PB is placed on board, and so are its contents, unconcealed.

Chas

The pillbox was HIP, the squad in it was HIP, both were HIP in concealment terrain...

Enemy units enters hex... G.4 kicks in, pillbox is moved on the board with the squad in it.

I thought the squad might still be concealed because A12.15 (concealment lost due to enemy movement into unit's location) would not apply (?). The enemy advanced into the KUNAI location , the PILLBOX location is another (virtual) location with no enemy unit walking into it?

This last bit of G.4 confuses me

"...however a HIDDEN unit is placed onboard as per A11.19 , an ambush can occur."
Seems the unit in the pillbox was pretty much hidden before.

However, .G4 also says:

"A12.15/A12.41 does not necessarily apply when during the mph an attacker enters a kunai location occupying units consists only of hidden defender which are not in pillbox".

I guess your right after all, but all seems little dodgy.