BFP 3 Counters

[Chas]

Gents,

I really appreciate all of the very positive feedback on this product, and although we strived for perfection did not get there. Yes, the counters look great; however, due to a mistake they were in fact printed with the white core. I am not satisfied with this. We had to address this with the printer first. Bottom line is that we are only going to receive a small discount if we do a reprint. We also explored possibilities of doing a partial reprint but that wasnt feasible.

Anyway, we are looking for your feedback on this issue and possible solutions. Here a few things we have been discussing:

-Are the counters fine and we should do nothing?

-Should we do a full reprint and then charge a small fee where guys can order, so we can recoup some of the cost?

-Print and publish in a future project, adding a few $ to the retail cost of such product?

Please let us know if you have a better idea or any feedback on this. We want to provide the best possible product.

Thank you,
Chas

 

[Honza]

Hi Chas, I noticed the white core and it did not bother me in the slightest. In fact I thought you had printed them that way on purpose. I would not worry about it if I were you unless you get lots of complaints. The counters are fine IMO.

 

[marvinrb]

What about printing a line of concealment counters in white core of each size for the 4 or 5 nationalities involved? I mean what is the problem with white core (pandora's box is now open) besides concealment and being able to ID dummy stacks? Although, it might not be cheaper since you would have to create them where as the other sheets already exist.

Failing that I'd be willing to pay a reasonable fee to replace them. But it seems a waste of good cardboard.

 

[Honza]

Aahhh. I forgot about the concealment issue.

 

[fwheel73]

Hi Chas, I noticed the white core and it did not bother me in the slightest. In fact I thought you had printed them that way on purpose. I would not worry about it if I were you unless you get lots of complaints. The counters are fine IMO.

I think we had this discussion some time ago..... Is it really a problem?.... I'll play with the white to see if it is a prob.... doubt it.

Or:
1. Just need enough other 1/2" & 5/8" in the traditional colors to make one question what is really under the concealment.

2. I have not clipped my counters, so I just may have to paint all of them white or gray

3. Have one of those slick looking wooden prisim things [think it was Pleva who made them] so one can put the "offending" white piece in until it is properly discovered. Just substitute another 1/2/5/8" counter on the board till then....

In any case.... it is looking good.

Best regards,:salute:
John

 

[Jerry Simmons]

Given that the Operation Cobra counters were printed on white core, I figured it was just SOP. As mentioned above I'd say white core concealment counters would suffice. You can put them in a future product.

I would like to raise the issue of fonts since we're talking about counters. For example, some of the FT designation fonts are too small. Understandably counter real estate is quite limited but info needs to be legible to the aging ASL population. It's also possible that I'm just going blind. Just my $0.02

 

[Paul M. Weir]

I do not have strong feelings about white versus gray core.

However, if you do a reprint I will be delighted to buy a set or (probably) two at a reasonable price. By reasonable, I mean cost + normal margin, I do not expect you to have to do it for little or no return or less still take a hit on it.

When HoB had a problem with RBF 4 with the reversed punched counters, I still got the magazine and bought 2 sets of the corrected counters when they became available.

I would view a reprint as an opportunity to buy extra counters without having to buy the full product and would treat it as a normal purchase, should not be some kind of "penance" for BFP.

 

[marvinrb]

What an observant bunch we are. BtB counters were also white core and no one seemed to notice.

 

[cujo8-1]

Given that the Operation Cobra counters were printed on white core, I figured it was just SOP. As mentioned above I'd say white core concealment counters would suffice. You can put them in a future product.

I too thought this was SOP. Jerry has a good solution with the printing of ? counters. Should be cheaper than a reprint as well as satisfactory.

 

[fwheel73]

What an observant bunch we are. BtB counters were also white core and no one seemed to notice.

What????? No one noticed!!:devious: Cujo is right-- old eyes. I guess that is why I like well lit places--so I can see the whites... of their eyes!

Imagine that.... missed that white cardboard... what is the asl world coming to?:laugh::laugh:

Best regards,:salute:
John

 

[rreinesch]

I would like to raise the issue of fonts since we're talking about counters. For example, some of the FT designation fonts are too small. Understandably counter real estate is quite limited but info needs to be legible to the aging ASL population. It's also possible that I'm just going blind. Just my $0.02

Thanks for the feedback on that Jerry. I think I know which FT counters you are referring to, and yes they are definitely too small. I've set up some standardization for counters on font sizes and such that will definitely keep that from happening on future counters we generate.

 

[Chas]

Guys,

I am not sure new concealment counters would solve anything, if thre is a problem at all. I may need to do a poll of some sorts.

Chas

 

[Arlecchino]

What's that white stuff?! Could we have some photo example of what you're talking about!? (Because i don't play PTO yet i didn't bought BPF3... yet)

 

[Jerry Simmons]

Thanks for the feedback on that Jerry. I think I know which FT counters you are referring to, and yes they are definitely too small. I've set up some standardization for counters on font sizes and such that will definitely keep that from happening on future counters we generate.

Thanks! There aren't many of them. The best example would be the M4A2(L)F whose X# I can't read without an extreme closeup.

 

[rreinesch]

What's that white stuff?! Could we have some photo example of what you're talking about!? (Because i don't play PTO yet i didn't bought BPF3... yet)

Best example I can give you is to take a counter, any counter, and look at the edge of it, end-on. Between whatever color of the nationality you have picked up, you will see that the material between the flat sides of the counter looks grey. Now imagine that that color is instead white. That's what we're talking about.

Rick

 

[sswann]

I have no problem with white core counters.

 

[Kevin Kenneally]

What's that white stuff?! Could we have some photo example of what you're talking about!? (Because i don't play PTO yet i didn't bought BPF3... yet)

You will enjoy the BFP products AND the PTO stuff once MMP has it back in reprint.

 

[Kevin Kenneally]

Never noticed the BFP2 counters were white either.

WOW. We ALL must be getting old.

 

[Barryrk]

I noticed the white core when I clipped them(BFP2 counters), just thunk- that"s the new style. I have no problem with this. For those who do...white core concealment counters seems to be a reasonable answer.JMO.

 

[Arlecchino]

Ok this could be a problem if you play a game with mixed counter... because the opponent could know looking at the edge of the counter, what you have under the concealment!
I'd to paint with gray all the side counter! LoL

Bah who care, i win anyway rolling low. :nuts: