Berserk leader with dummies

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A broken leader stacked with dummies goes berserk. Then he has to try to berserk the dummies. Does it mean that the dummies have to be revealed, or the leader makes a NTC as if the concealed units have a Morale of 7, and only reveal them if they become berserk?

In the latter case, providing that the dummies are still concealed, let's suppose that the NTC activates the enemy sniper. Can I reveal the dummies stack at this point in order to prevent the sniper activation, as if the NTC was cancelled, or the sniper activation cannot be reversed?
 

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A broken leader stacked with dummies goes berserk. Then he has to try to berserk the dummies. Does it mean that the dummies have to be revealed, or the leader makes a NTC as if the concealed units have a Morale of 7, and only reveal them if they become berserk?

In the latter case, providing that the dummies are still concealed, let's suppose that the NTC activates the enemy sniper. Can I reveal the dummies stack at this point in order to prevent the sniper activation, as if the NTC was cancelled, or the sniper activation cannot be reversed?
Dummies are unarmed [index], and unarmed units are not normally subject to HOB [A15.1]. The leader does not attempt to convert units not normally subject to HoB [A15.41].

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A broken leader stacked with dummies goes berserk. Then he has to try to berserk the dummies. Does it mean that the dummies have to be revealed, or the leader makes a NTC as if the concealed units have a Morale of 7, and only reveal them if they become berserk?

In the latter case, providing that the dummies are still concealed, let's suppose that the NTC activates the enemy sniper. Can I reveal the dummies stack at this point in order to prevent the sniper activation, as if the NTC was cancelled, or the sniper activation cannot be reversed?
"Fake" DRs cannot be made and since a Dummy stack cannot become Berserk no Berserk DRs could be made. Note you do not have to reveal a reason for not making the DRs, but it may be quite apparent the concealed stack would be dummies.
 

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Dummies are unarmed [index], and unarmed units are not normally subject to HOB [A15.1]. The leader does not attempt to convert units not normally subject to HoB [A15.41].

JR
Nice reasoning!

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Comes up with IJA leader stacked with a crew manning an h/mmg. The leader can go berserk but the crew is immune and won't.
 
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