Bazooka

[karl]

Hi

I am a little confused about whether or not I can use a bazooka against infantry targets in the open or in other terrain.

Does it fire AP vs armoured targets and HE vs unarmoured as in C2.21 and thus I use the 8ift column against infantry in the open/other terrain or use HEAT and is bounded by C8.31 special heat rules against both types of targets.

I want to fire at a squad in some trees.

Cheers

Karl

 

[Reepicheep]

Hi Karl,

BAZ fire HEAT (EXC: also White Phosperous from 1945 models onwards) at eligible Infantry and Vehicle/Gun Targets. As such, it uses the C8.31 rules you referred to.

As such, you can only fire at infantry who are receiving a wall/building/rubble/pillbox TEM. ie. you are actually firing at their cover, and the shrapnel from hitting their cover is what is doing the damage.

Anyway, the long and the short of it is you can't fire at a squad who are just in some trees or in the open. Sorry 'bout that.

Cheers,
Andrew

 

[CPRad]

Hi Karl,

BAZ fire HEAT (EXC: also White Phosperous from 1945 models onwards) at eligible Infantry and Vehicle/Gun Targets. As such, it uses the C8.31 rules you referred to.

As such, you can only fire at infantry who are receiving a wall/building/rubble/pillbox TEM. ie. you are actually firing at their cover, and the shrapnel from hitting their cover is what is doing the damage.

Anyway, the long and the short of it is you can't fire at a squad who are just in some trees or in the open. Sorry 'bout that.

Cheers,
Andrew

A HA!!! Caught you..... this info is good to know but a little late for my killer plan ... must go to plan B ... just as deadly .. ; - )

CPRad

 

[Priest]

I'm staeting to question the value of having bazooka's, I've played three scenarios that use them and have one fired one of them once.

 

[Chris Milne]

They're of limited use if you're fighting in urban terrain against infantry. The TEM penalty combined with backblast makes things tough. Then again, hits are pretty effective when they happen.

 

[ToxicShock]

I'm staeting to question the value of having bazooka's, I've played three scenarios that use them and have one fired one of them once.

Yeah, it's just as bad as lugging those DCs around....

 

[Reepicheep]

Weighing only 1PP, they're also a nice option to have up your sleeve if the chance to use one arises. They could also make your opponenent hesitate about moving behind the protection of a wall (+2 wall tem, -1 ffnam = only a +1 TH penalty). And as Chris pointed out, they do pack a good punch when they do hit.

 

[CPRad]

Weighing only 1PP, they're also a nice option to have up your sleeve if the chance to use one arises. They could also make your opponenent hesitate about moving behind the protection of a wall (+2 wall tem, -1 ffnam = only a +1 TH penalty). And as Chris pointed out, they do pack a good punch when they do hit.

Hmmm ... interesting what are the modifiers if an inf. unit moves up to a bocage hex side and an AT gun is two hexes away fire HE at it. Does the FFNAM modifier apply and does the bocage provide a +2 TEM???

Thanks

 

[Reepicheep]

Hmmm ... interesting what are the modifiers if an inf. unit moves up to a bocage hex side and an AT gun is two hexes away fire HE at it. Does the FFNAM modifier apply and does the bocage provide a +2 TEM???

As far as TEM is concerned, from 2nd edition rules onward, bocage follows the rules for walls (B9.5) so the TEM is +2 (B9.3). I'm not sure what the TEM was before the v.2 rules.

Total modifiers: +2 TEM, -1 FFNAM (provided the infantry didn't assault move), -1 Point Blank at 2 hexes = +0 drm

Infantry Target Type to hit at range 2 = 8, so with +0 drm an 8 or less will hit. (all other things being equal)

 

[Seabee Mark]

Don't Forget Wall Advantage

That also assumes the infantry unit declares wall advantage when it moves up to the bocage hexside. If it doesn't there is no LOS from the AT Gun, so no shot.

Depending on the situation, the infantry unit might want to wait until the APh before claiming WA.

Mark

 

[CPRad]

That also assumes the infantry unit declares wall advantage when it moves up to the bocage hexside. If it doesn't there is no LOS from the AT Gun, so no shot.

Depending on the situation, the infantry unit might want to wait until the APh before claiming WA.

Mark

Thanks Mark .... thats what I was wondering since the bocage was suppose to be similar to a 1 sty height LOS and even if you moved up to the hex side with the bocage would there be a LOS unless a WA was declared.

Larry

 

[da priest]

Errr..guys bocage ain't a 'zook target type...sorry...

In Journal 5 there is an errata for this, disallowing the use of HEAT vs Bocage.

It says:

B9.5: line 3 after "walls" add "[EXC:HEAT NA (C8.31)]"

This is for 2nd Ed.

 

[Reepicheep]

Thanks for the correction... I hadn't read that errata yet.

 

[Legion]

Yea Priest, thanks for that, the poorer ASL players who cannot afford to buy such luxuries appreciate the info...

I am of the opinion that most of the time Panzerfaust and BAZ are a waste of time against INF... but when one is desperate and willing to take the risk then even in a city they can be a massive life-saver... but the risks! It is at time like these that the PIAT starts to look like a REAL weapon - with no backblast!