Battalion Mortar
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tallin
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No it does not, would be automatic via C1.22 and the Chapter H OBA Availability chart.
jrv
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There is no rule that makes a module into battalion mortar. It has to be done by SSR or by use of the Chapter H chart.
JR
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I would be very surprised if it wasn't Battalion Mortar, for 2 reasons:
1) Mortars were historically the only US ~80 mm
2) More importantly the only US OBA Chapter H 80+ entries are Battalion Mortar
1) Mortars were historically the only US ~80 mm
2) More importantly the only US OBA Chapter H 80+ entries are Battalion Mortar
jrv
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While I think you are right historically, as far as the game is concerned there is no OBA that automatically becomes Battalion Mortar unless using the chapter H chart, with the exception of the US 60+ OBA created from removed OB-given 60mm MTR SW as per US Ordnance note 1.
JR
Honosbinda
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Do not try to reason with scenario designers who forgot that battalion mortar OBA should be specified. It's too late now 
Eagle4ty
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Interesting question. I'm tending to lean towards the acceptance that it is indeed a Bn Mtr for the following reasons:
It is listed as the Bn Mtr (C1.22) in Chapter H. For most nationalities it is not noted in a DYO context but in the Ordnance Notes section. I Think the Charts not only allow a DYO application but indicate what calibers of OBA are considered Bn Mtrs by date.
Per the ASL Introduction, page ii, last sentence, "...the higher alpha numeric rule case always takes precedence, barring a specific exception...". Since the only other place in the rules that mentions what is considered Bn Mtrs is the Nationality Charts provided in Chapter H, I think it strongly suggests that such an OBA module would be considered Bn Mtrs unless otherwise stated.
Don't try to infer a limitation from the designers that probably well know the indication of an OBA module is exactly what the ASLRB (and accompaning charts) indicates it is. If the Rule book and charts indicate an OBA module of a specific caliber range for an indicated date time frame is a battalion mortar module, unless stated otherwise by an SSR, it is considered a battalion mortar OBA module. If you fail to use it as a battalion mortar OBA module on your own volition it is of course your own choice.
klasmalmstrom
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The SSR must state it.
Honosbinda
Senior Member
Sorry Eagle, that's a stretch and it's also a stretch that the designers well know about this. It's pretty clear from precedent that battalion OBA is to be specified as such from a review dozens of other scenarios that their designers have taken the time and energy to so stipulate.
Basically you imply that all designers who have cited battalion mortar for American 80 MM in other scenarios have been wasting their time and ink; further, don't know the ASLRB sufficiently to realize that it's not necessary because they are to invoke the higher numbered rule (arguing in the reverse direction of your tack here).
Yes, it is always possible that the mtr support were coming from elsewhere. I think there are scenarios out there where it's British 25# supporting US troops.
This is a MMP scenario, so I have to believe they knew that Battalion Mortars had to be specified and it wasn't just an oversight.
This is a MMP scenario, so I have to believe they knew that Battalion Mortars had to be specified and it wasn't just an oversight.
von Marwitz
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Vinnie
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He forgot to bribe Klas before he chimed in, a rookie mistake.
I know!
As Rick's opponent: thanks for the answers. The scenario is Desobry Defiant and Rick has foregone the obvious placement of the radio-leader in the steeple to place him in the back of the field, from where he has been plastering my troops for the last couple of turns. That missed contact roll could allow me back in the game. (below: during German T6 movement.)
