Fully tracked AFV enters an A-T minefield and survives the entry attack. Can the AFV now stop and then restart in reverse and then leave the minefield via the hexside it previously entered without undergoing a second attack?
Seems to make sense. But there are questions:YES you may by using the TB created when entering a minefield (B28.61 TRAIL BREAK: A TB may also be used to show fully-tracked AFV movement into or through a minefield [EXC: the TB may not be placed if that AFV is using VBM]....A unit exiting a minefield hex via a TB in that hex is not attacked by that minefield., & B13.4212-13.4212)
Rule wise there is no minefield attack for simply changing a VCA in a minefield (perhaps a neutral steer movement?), so if retaining sufficient MPs I don't see why the vehicle would necessarily have to reverse move out using the TB. And B28.61 certainly implies that a partial TB is still a TB; at least as I see it.Seems to make sense. But there are questions:
I suppose that the 'Partial Trailbreak' created by the vehicle upon entry is considered a 'Trailbreak' for moving out the same way that the tank has moved in?
Could the tank turn in the Minefield without attack before moving out along the (partial) trailbreak?
Or would it have to do so using reverse movement?
von Marwitz
Actually, I have never thought about this possibility. If it is a 1 AT-Minefield, I would carry on, I reckon. If it is a 2 or 3 AT-Minefield, then turning might be the better part of valor.Rule wise there is no minefield attack for simply changing a VCA in a minefield (perhaps a neutral steer movement?), so if retaining sufficient MPs I don't see why the vehicle would necessarily have to reverse move out using the TB. And B28.61 certainly implies that a partial TB is still a TB; at least as I see it.
For a vehicle if they had the ability to actually neutral steer (each track going in the opposite direction) I could envision exiting rather simply by following your entrance tracks as one could spin the AFV within its own radius. However I believe most tracked AFVs of the time did not possess this capability and relied upon a pivot steer (one track idle and the other the driving force) which would take a larger turning radius. Probably determining which vehicles had differing abilities are out of the scope of ASL combat so I presume it's a game mechanic to allow at least some discretion to AFVs in such a predicament. As for the strength of the minefield, one usually doesn't know (and I always defer to my opponent to maintain a FOW-if they would cheat they're not worth playing anyway).Actually, I have never thought about this possibility. If it is a 1 AT-Minefield, I would carry on, I reckon. If it is a 2 or 3 AT-Minefield, then turning might be the better part of valor.
I would seem funny, though, that Infantry would not have the same or similar option for AP-Minefields.
von Marwitz
I haven't used a secret DR/dr for some time but I would never ask my opponent to verify the strength of the minefield, You get some intell but if the DR/dr is low enough it still maintains a healthy FOW.Well possibly IF YOU KNOW you entered a AT minefield, but last time I played we used secret dr. .
Yeah, Nearmiss got two of my best tanks with minefields the last scenario we played. I was just kind of wondering if he has a thing for vehicles in minefields.?The last game I mentioned was a CCR that all AT strength is 1, we played it twice and both times I believe the AT mines accounted for 3 AC or tanks out of 8, tanks with out radios going through restricted terrain funnels are in danger.
Actually, I have never thought about this possibility. If it is a 1 AT-Minefield, I would carry on, I reckon. If it is a 2 or 3 AT-Minefield, then turning might be the better part of valor.
I would seem funny, though, that Infantry would not have the same or similar option for AP-Minefields.
von Marwitz
Aber Herr Oberst, usually one does not know whether it is a 1 AT-Minefield: only if the roll is a '2' or all other OB mines have been accounted for.
That is correct. But...Aber Herr Oberst, usually one does not know whether it is a 1 AT-Minefield: only if the roll is a '2' or all other OB mines have been accounted for.
Thanks for the responses.Impunity? maybe, maybe not.
Double MF/MP and subject a special -1 TB DRM.
If the Mines are covered by direct fire weapon......well, think of infantry using in TB in the open being fired at by a HMG.