B23.424, E6.1, H1.24 Do Unarmed Units, that have formerly been Commandos, retain Scaling ability?

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We do have a ruling by Perry:

Question:
B23.424, E6.1, H1.24
Does a Commando (H1.24) MMC that jumps from an upper Building Location into a Water Obstacle as per E6.1 and - provided it survives - is henceforth represented by an Unarmed Unit, retain its Scaling ability (B23.424) as to be able to climb up to the Cliff again from the Water Obstacle to retake Control of the Building?

Answer:
Unarmed units do not have Scaling ability.

....Perry
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Note that my question has been imprecise. I should have asked whether Unarmed Units retain their Commando ability as per B11.433 which reduces the chance of Falling.

B11.433 COMMANDO: Gurkhas, or any unit specified by SSR or DYO special purchase as Commandos are specially trained and equipped for climbing. Commandos are prevented from Climbing a cliff hexside only on a Final Falling DR of 12 and eliminated only on a Final Falling DR ≥ 13 (11.41).

Nevertheless, Perry's answer provides us with the insight that Unarmed Units do not seem to retain Special Abilities that their parent units might have had.

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Nevertheless, Perry's answer provides us with the insight that Unarmed Units do not seem to retain Special Abilities that their parent units might have had.

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I can't figure out why a highly trained and motivated soldier would suddenly lose all his skills simply because he doesn't have a weapon. Also not being encumbered with a weapon would seem to make it easier to Scale.

I can't find any reference to Special Abilities in my incomplete ASLRB. A definition would be appreciated.
 

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I can't figure out why a highly trained and motivated soldier would suddenly lose all his skills simply because he doesn't have a weapon. Also not being encumbered with a weapon would seem to make it easier to Scale.

I can't find any reference to Special Abilities in my incomplete ASLRB. A definition would be appreciated.
Probably I should not have capitalized 'Special Abilities' as this is not an expression defined in the rulebook. I think that Klas has nailed it: An Unarmed Unit is probably not a Commando anymore and thus does no longer have the Commando abilities. Similar as if Assault Engineers ELR and subsequently Battle Harden again - they don't get back their increased Smoke exponent etc. IMHO more a technical aspect of the rules rather than soldiers forgetting their training etc.

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We need specialist cliff diving units who can do the jump, then climb back up to do it again....msybe that woukd best be an SSR.
 
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