AP59 'Taking Heads' Questions

[trevpr1]

First question: Is the dry river a -1 valley, otherwise OG? (can't find this in the ASLRB)

Second: The VC talk about the Japanese getting 5 VP if they can keep a road clear form the vorth edge to 3aM15. The road doesn't run from the North edge of the playing area, but from the E edge of board 48.

Do we use :

The road running form the north end of board 3a to 3aM15; or

The road running from 48 Q5 to 3aM15?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Jerry Simmons]

I don't know about the river bed, but bd 48 hexrow Q is playable. The north edge road starts at Q1.

 

[trevpr1]

I don't know about the river bed, but bd 48 hexrow Q is playable. The north edge road starts at Q1.

D'oh! So it is!


Thanks!

 

[SamB]

Since the SSR doesn't say, I'd play it that it's still level -1, but open ground.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Since the SSR doesn't say, I'd play it that it's still level -1, but open ground.

So would I.

Although I can't find anything in the rules about Rivers being Dry - only Stream can be Dry I think (something I missed when proofing this scenario).
In other scenarios a SSR like the this has been used (where drt is also used btw): "2.The river is dry; treat all river hexes as open ground valley (B22.)."

 

[trevpr1]

I did double check before posting - a river is a water obstacle, so I'm pretty sure its just dry OG at -1. Thought I'd check though.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

I did double check before posting - a river is a water obstacle, so I'm pretty sure its just dry OG at -1. Thought I'd check though.

Yes, that is what I think too.
Technically/rules-wise though I'm not sure that there is a definition for a Water Obstacle being Dry.

 

[Sparafucil3]

Since the SSR doesn't say, I'd play it that it's still level -1, but open ground.

This is how it was playtested between Fort and I. -- jim

 

[Houlie]

This is how it was playtested between Fort and I. -- jim

I played it that way as well. A fun scenario, BTW. Very close. I recall one side had the balance, but can't remember who.

 

[trevpr1]

This is how it was playtested between Fort and I. -- jim

You shameless name dropper you!

 

[Sparafucil3]

You shameless name dropper you!

Normally I would not answer questions like this since they are not my scenarios, but Fort is probably my most regular table top opponent and I know he is away from his PC this week and won't be back to answer questions. If I can, I like to help him out since he gives me copies of the new maps in AP8 in exchange -- jim

 

[trevpr1]

Normally I would not answer questions like this since they are not my scenarios, but Fort is probably my most regular table top opponent and I know he is away from his PC this week and won't be back to answer questions. If I can, I like to help him out since he gives me copies of the new maps in AP8 in exchange -- jim

I have one of those maps - the town on the hill, as I play tested a scenario for Ian Daglish.

Fort is away?

We could say anything about him.

Is it true he uses the IIFT?

 

[klasmalmstrom]

I have one of those maps - the town on the hill, as I play tested a scenario for Ian Daglish.

Isn't that map for AP7?

 

[trevpr1]

Isn't that map for AP7?

It.... might....be.

 

[tim bunce]

Withdrawn, being stupid

 

[Michael R]

I have another question about this scenario. SSR states PTO terrain but all roads exist normally. There is an elevated road that crosses a stream; it has a bridge to do so. Does the bridge still exist?

PTO rules state "No roads exist (all brush-roads and woods-roads are Paths, with no Open Ground in the brush-/woods-road portion of those hexes; Sunken Roads (B4.) & Elevated Roads (B5.) are still in effect but with the road treated as Open Ground)" and "All bridges are Fords".

 

[Sparafucil3]

I have another question about this scenario. SSR states PTO terrain but all roads exist normally. There is an elevated road that crosses a stream; it has a bridge to do so. Does the bridge still exist?

PTO rules state "No roads exist (all brush-roads and woods-roads are Paths, with no Open Ground in the brush-/woods-road portion of those hexes; Sunken Roads (B4.) & Elevated Roads (B5.) are still in effect but with the road treated as Open Ground)" and "All bridges are Fords".

Fort would be the ultimate answer, but I *believe* the bridge still exists. Just my opinion though. It's how I would play it. -- jim

 

[Eagle4ty]

Fort would be the ultimate answer, but I *believe* the bridge still exists. Just my opinion though. It's how I would play it. -- jim

IIRC when we played it we had the bridge in play but treated the river bed as a large gully (2MF or 2MP + COT). Can't remember where we got this info, (perhaps an e-mail directly to Fort or online?). It really didn't make much of a difference as the crux of the action was centered in and around the village. BTW, the Filipinos smacked the live'n bejeebers out of the IJA.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Don't know Fort's intention, but as written I would probably play as if the bridge is not in play (compare to scenario AP91 when "roads/bridges" are spelled out).

That being said, setting up the map and seeing the VC and where the forces set up and enter, I really don't see the "bridge" coming into play that often - unless I missed something on the scenario card.

 

[buser333]

While I agree the scenario card as written doesn't seem to jive with the rulebook, SSR1 specifically says roads exist normally, and it certainly doesn't make much sense to have a big gap in the middle of the road, so I would play it with the existing bridge. There's a stone bridge in M16-M17 so it does not seem like a large stretch to imagine that the stone bridge in E17 still exists. I do agree, having played this one, that the action most likely will not even come close to that part of the board.