Oberst Hausser
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Not to be unkind...but I think there are..."12 O'clock High" is I think a film which deals with reality...by extension "Memphis Belle" which draws on Wyler's documentary. Likewise, one could move on to "Das Boot"...and so on to other select films. So I am picking at your "any" if you see what I mean, which I think you do, as some one who is most often open to seeing the wider shot through the lens of history....Are there any western WW2 films that have much to do with reality?
The Star--I thought it was OK.Oh dear, oh dear!
Are there any western WW2 films that have much to do with reality? Of those the old "Longest Day", "Letters from Iwo Jima" and "A Bridge Too Far" are among the few that have a historical plot line and good effects/cinematography.
Having said that there were a few that I saw that were not too cheesy:
They Fought For Their Motherland.
The Star.
Panfilov's 28 men. : Good effects and filming, but based upon an at least partly debunked WW2 myth.
Come And See. : On partisan war in Byelorussia. Surreal and horrific. Over the top until you consider the topic and remember that films rarely fully portray the horror.
Fortress Of War. : On the Brest defence in June '41.
Those are ones that did not make my history nut's butt cheeks clench. The last two are in the "must see" category. While ahistorical, almost a fantasy, "White Tiger" is a a good attempt to portray the impression of war and the warmaker's ideology on the other side, the Russian equivalent to "The Thin Red Line" in a way.
? Wow! Is that documentary footage?!Have you seen the movie "Stalingrad" where scores of Russian soldiers, all lit on fire, did that massive human wave thru the rubble? Movie history!!
Fanatic? Wow! Is that documentary footage?!
... exactly as described by the history books (but how do we do this in ASL?).
Pearl Harbor! Duh.Oh dear, oh dear!
Are there any western WW2 films that have much to do with reality? Of those the old "Longest Day", "Letters from Iwo Jima" and "A Bridge Too Far" are among the few that have a historical plot line and good effects/cinematography.
Having said that there were a few that I saw that were not too cheesy:
They Fought For Their Motherland.
The Star.
Panfilov's 28 men. : Good effects and filming, but based upon an at least partly debunked WW2 myth.
Come And See. : On partisan war in Byelorussia. Surreal and horrific. Over the top until you consider the topic and remember that films rarely fully portray the horror.
Fortress Of War. : On the Brest defence in June '41.
Those are ones that did not make my history nut's butt cheeks clench. The last two are in the "must see" category. While ahistorical, almost a fantasy, "White Tiger" is a a good attempt to portray the impression of war and the warmaker's ideology on the other side, the Russian equivalent to "The Thin Red Line" in a way.
Even so, 'Stalingrad ' doesn't quite descend to the 'quality ' of Ardennes Fury.Have you seen the movie "Stalingrad" where scores of Russian soldiers, all lit on fire, did that massive human wave thru the rubble? Movie history!!
That's what happens when someone tries to combine a chick flick with a war movie , Twilight Saga anally fucking Tora! Tora! Tora!. Despite having good effects and filming, anyone who knew enough history to know that the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbour should be horrified.Pearl Harbor! Duh.
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Concur on all accounts. Also screwing 30 Seconds over Tokyo.That's what happens when someone tries to combine a chick flick with a war movie , Twilight Saga anally fucking Tora! Tora! Tora!. Despite having good effects and filming, anyone who knew enough history to know that the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbour should be horrified.
Talking about Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970), it and its contemporary Battle Of Britain (1969) have held up very, very well in my opinion. Both are approaching their 50th birthdays, from a time when CGI was not even a film maker's wet dream.
Come And See should be mandatory viewing for students of the Eastern Front, I regard it that highly.The Star--I thought it was OK.
Come and See is quite horrific, agreed. One viewing was enough.
I believe Fortress of War = Brest Fortress? I liked this quite a bit and have kept a DVD copy.
White Tiger is rather allegorical and thoughtful, not your typical action war flick.
Wait - I thought you couldn't get Stukas if it was overcast. E3.55.Have you seen the movie "Stalingrad" where scores of Russian soldiers, all lit on fire, did that massive human wave thru the rubble? Movie history!!
You missed an umlaut in there...don't make me report you!That's what happens when someone tries to combine a chick flick with a war movie , Twilight Saga anally fucking Tora! Tora! Tora!. Despite having good effects and filming, anyone who knew enough history to know that the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbour should be horrified.
Talking about Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970), it and its contemporary Battle Of Britain (1969) have held up very, very well in my opinion. Both are approaching their 50th birthdays, from a time when CGI was not even a film maker's wet dream.
Not sure what it meant by reality. Movies centered on the Western Front all had issues in one form or another. Most were made for "entertainment" not to be a documentary. While some fell flat in the story department almost all failed one way or another in the realism of combat. Not until Saving Private Ryan (and Pacific) was the realism of combat addressed. But again Hollywood being Hollywood these have holes also. Movies like 12 O'clock High and Das Boot, cover topics like command and living under "challenging " conditions and do a real good job at that. War movies have come along way from the 50s, 60's and 70's. In my humble opinion, the Finish made movie "Winter War" has a lot to offer and raised the bar on technical realism with the producers getting vehicle, planes and equipment from the museums to use. As for realism the one thing movies (and documentaries ) can never capture are the smells. Only those who were there get to experience those.Are there any western WW2 films that have much to do with reality?
No film will be truly real, the cast nearly always get to walk away (though bad shit occasionally happens on set). I'm thinking about not having German marked M47s in sunny Spain for the Ardennes. I do make allowances for explosions beefed up with petrol for extra dramatic effect. I have no problem with StuGs mocked up on FV-432 and similar or Tigers on T-34/T-54, at least the crew made the effort.Not sure what it meant by reality.
PaulI'm thinking about not having German marked M47s in sunny Spain for the Ardennes. I do make allowances for explosions beefed up with petrol for extra dramatic effect.