Ambush Withdrawal and Disrupted Units

[buser333]

Can a unit Ambush Withdraw into a Location occupied by a disrupted enemy unit?

If so, is the disrupted unit immediately captured/killed?

Do either of these answers change if No Quarter is in effect?

 

[jrv]

A11.21 "The Location withdrawn to cannot be occupied by a Known enemy unit." In most cases a disrupted unit will be Known.

There's an odd case where the disrupted unit is not Known (e.g. due to SMOKE), but that odd case applies to all unconcealed enemy units, not just disrupted ones.

JR

 

[buser333]

NRBH, but isn't this section Withdrawal from Melee? In this case there was no Melee in existence.

 

[Binchois]

A11.21 "The Location withdrawn to cannot be occupied by a Known enemy unit." In most cases a disrupted unit will be Known.

There's an odd case where the disrupted unit is not Known (e.g. due to SMOKE), but that odd case applies to all unconcealed enemy units, not just disrupted ones.

JR

I agree that this is most likely, but A19.12 does leave room to argue:

A19.12 ... Disrupted units do not prevent enemy movement into or through their hex (4.14). but do prevent rout toward or through them (10.51).​

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This allows enemy units to move through Disrupted units whether Known or not. Now "withdrawal" perhaps isn't "movement," so JR is probably right. But I think the question should be submitted, if only to get a clarification squeezed into either A11.21 or 19.12.

Good question!

 

[jrv]

NRBH, but isn't this section Withdrawal from Melee? In this case there was no Melee in existence.

A unit that achieves Ambush "may withdraw", and per the index "withdraw" is defined in A11.2. This q&a also indicates that ambush withdrawal uses the mechanics of A11.2

A11.41 Can a unit which has qualified for ambush and has eliminated its opponent in CC withdraw into an adjacent, accessible hex and participate in another CC/melee which has not yet been resolved?
A. No, it would be eliminated by withdrawing into an enemy occupied Location; see A11.21.
[Compil7]

JR

 

[Eagle4ty]

Like Binchois I would favor a ruling on the matter but believe A11.21 is pretty clear on this point where it states, "The Location withdrawn to cannot be currently occupied by a Known enemy unit." Now if the Location somehow prevented the Disrupted unit from being Known, that is a different matter worthy of a clarification.