AFV MGs and Melee

[Shmitty008]

I have an immobilized AFV holding two squads in melee. Can I use my AFV CMGs in the Prep fire phase? Do I get TPBF? Do they use the case E DRM for firing in hex?

Thanks.

Jake

 

[The Purist]

You can use your vehicles machine guns with TPBF but Ordnance must use Case E (+2 same hex firer). I believe the BMG can used in Prep/Def Fire Phases. The limitation of only using CMG/AAMG is only for CC.

See D3.5. The RMG/AAMG/CMG and IFE from MA of 15mm or less can be fired "again" in CC but not the BMG. All MGs/IFE can be fired for multiple overruns as well.

 

[Larry]

MGs get TPBF. They do not have to hit the target, so no case E. It is deadly to move into CC with an AFV with significant MG ...

 

[klasmalmstrom]

I believe the BMG can used in Prep/Def Fire Phases. The limitation of only using CMG/AAMG is only for CC.

Can't use the BMG if the vehicle is Immobilized.

D8.5:
"...However, after the phase (A.15) in which it becomes thusly Immobile, its bow mounted weapon(s) may be used against a target in that vehicle’s hex only during Defensive First Fire (thus its BMG is unusable in CC), only if the target is entering that hex from within the vehicle’s VCA,..."

 

[The Purist]

That makes perfect sense. I admit I did not go that far forward in the chapter D rules.

 

[BattleSchool]

If the AFV is Immob when in Bypass, do CMG pay an additional +1 IFT DRM (in addition to normal Case A DRM for any CA change) due to the enlarged CA, as per D2.321 and D3.52?

 

[Eagle4ty]

If the AFV is Immob when in Bypass, do CMG pay an additional +1 IFT DRM (in addition to normal Case A DRM for any CA change) due to the enlarged CA, as per D2.321 and D3.52?

All turret mounted weapons pay the penalty unless the target was acquired.

 

[BattleSchool]

All turret mounted weapons pay the penalty unless the target was acquired.

I wouldn't have thought that Acquistion would effect CMG fire in a positive way. Does it?

 

[MajorDomo]

In most cases, easy to avoid the CMG +1 penalty for VBM.

Just Acquire the target, then fire the CMG at the target without the +1 penalty.

 

[Mister T]

All turret mounted weapons pay the penalty unless the target was acquired.

You get the general idea but it's slightly different, strictly speaking, for CMG.

D2.321
A TCA based on a Bypass side Target Facing covers a potentially much larger Field of Fire (all hexes on that side of the firer between the front and rear Target Facings) and consequently must pay appropriate Case A (C5.1) penalties for firing within this enlarged CA even if it does not change its TCA [EXC: a weapon firing with an already earned Target Acquisition DRM (or, in the case of a CMG/IFE/Canister, vs the same Known target in the same Target Facing as last fired on) does not have to add Case A to fire within its current CA].

 

[BattleSchool]

You get the general idea but it's slightly different, strictly speaking, for CMG.

D2.321
A TCA based on a Bypass side Target Facing covers a potentially much larger Field of Fire (all hexes on that side of the firer between the front and rear Target Facings) and consequently must pay appropriate Case A (C5.1) penalties for firing within this enlarged CA even if it does not change its TCA [EXC: a weapon firing with an already earned Target Acquisition DRM (or, in the case of a CMG/IFE/Canister, vs the same Known target in the same Target Facing as last fired on) does not have to add Case A to fire within its current CA].

Just re-read this now. Thanks. I now see the subtle difference.

Using the OP's EX, provided the CMG continues to fire on the same Known target, Case A only applies to the first CMG shot. Moreover, if the CMG was also the MA and maintained ROF, the second and any subsequent shots would not be penalized by Case A provided the CMG continued to fire only at the same target. Correct?

Again using the OP's EX, presumably Case A would apply to any CMG shot vs the Location if it contained a concealed unit/a unit that was not in the Location when the initial CMG shot was taken. I don't think the CMG could ignore a same-hex target, and fire only on its previously "acquired" target (unless the target was using VBM out of LOS). Or may it?