After all this time

Brian W

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It's sad that after all these years 30% of the US population hate democracy. They'll gleefully tell you we live in a republic. And they worship the rich like the rich were a class annoited by God, just as the kings and lords of a monarchy are set apart and chosen to lead by God.
 

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God never wanted the Israelites to have a king, they persisted and he gave them Saul. A fine mess that turned out to be. God anointed David and King David under God’s will did mighty things. David was only a man and a sinner like all men, although he loved God he still sinned, committing adulatry and murder. He repented and God forgave him but he had to live with the consequences and the son Bashiba had died. God never wanted us to be ruled by men, but in our rebellion we decided not to listen.
 

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They'll gleefully tell you we live in a republic.
We do live in a Republic. No need to be gleeful. Reportedly, while leaving the Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin was asked what sort of government the delegates had created. His replied "A republic, if you can keep it." Absent that, you should recall the Pledge of Allegiance: "... and to the Republic, for which it stands ..." You may or may not like that, and if you want to change it, there are means to avail yourself of. -- jim
 

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We do live in a Republic. No need to be gleeful. Reportedly, while leaving the Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin was asked what sort of government the delegates had created. His replied "A republic, if you can keep it." Absent that, you should recall the Pledge of Allegiance: "... and to the Republic, for which it stands ..." You may or may not like that, and if you want to change it, there are means to avail yourself of. -- jim
Odd that we fight for democracies, supposedly, around the world but we aren't one ourselves.

As far as I know the vast majority of offices are elected by simple vote.

Republics and democracies are not exclusive terms.
 

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Republics and democracies are not exclusive terms.
They become more exclusive when you don't like the results a democracy gets you. The Roman republic used dictators when things looked tough, and things look very tough right now, country practically falling apart at the border. :rolleyes:
 

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Odd that we fight for democracies, supposedly, around the world but we aren't one ourselves.

As far as I know the vast majority of offices are elected by simple vote.

Republics and democracies are not exclusive terms.
We fight for "democracy". We don't fight for "democracies". Democracy vests the power in the people, either directly--a true Democracy--or through representatives--the means we in the US use to govern. A true democracy is a nice idea, but unwieldy and impractical to implement on the scale of the US.

WRT "most offices": most offices don't have to build national consensus. As far as I know, in the US, only one does. It is the goal of your "local" representatives to look after local interest within the broader context of the government. You can't fault small pieces of the world for banding together to try and look after what they perceive to be their best interests. All you're trying to do is change the system to look after your best interest. You're ultimately no different, you just disagree. Find a supra-majority of people who think like you and change it.

Republics are representative democracy by definition. Never contended they weren't. What they aren't is "one person, one vote" such as some small towns in Vermont. It's worked pretty good so far. I get your frustration. Build a national coalition and change the rules. -- jim
 
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