A15.42 Last Sentence???

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Doing some late-evening rulebook reading and came across something I cannot decipher. A15.42, last sentence.

"However, a berserk unit never receives the leadership benefit of a friendly leader even if this deprives Good Order units of such benefits."

I may be missing something simple, or perhaps exotic, but I cannot posit a circumstance where the red-highlighted text would apply during play. In what situation might this apply? [Long day so it might be obvious to everyone but me!]
 

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I'm thinking a same hex fire group. Multiple squads but only one of them is berserk. If one of the units is berserk , then none of the units gets to use the leader modifier if the berserker is going to fire.

Seth
Annnnnddd, there it is! Not too terribly uncommon of a situation, but it just wasn't coming to me. Thanks. 👍
 

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This sounds like it would apply to ambush and CC as well, if GO units joined in after a berserker charged in.
I have never noticed that line, and haven't played it that way, but ...
 

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Well this is interesting all of a sudden!

Seems like the end of A15.42 Morale is a weird place to put a seemingly all encompassing leadership rule?

I also never knew / remembered that in A11.141 it is actually spelled out that the Berserker prevents Leader DRM use on a CC attack!

Seth
 

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Good stuff you guys. The CC circumstance is not common, but also not unheard-of. There's a couple of more high-lights for my rule book,
 

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Well this is interesting all of a sudden!

Seems like the end of A15.42 Morale is a weird place to put a seemingly all encompassing leadership rule?

I also never knew / remembered that in A11.141 it is actually spelled out that the Berserker prevents Leader DRM use on a CC attack!

Seth
If the leader is paired with the Berzerk unit.

The Firing with the Berzerk unit in a fire phase is most likely going to be limited to DFF/DFph
 

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Interesting that it applies only to Leadership DRM and not to Heroic DRM. There is also no requirement that Heroic DRM be used on GO units (that I found on brief perusal), so Hero DRM can be used on Berserkers, even as part of a FG.
 

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Interesting that it applies only to Leadership DRM and not to Heroic DRM. There is also no requirement that Heroic DRM be used on GO units (that I found on brief perusal), so Hero DRM can be used on Berserkers, even as part of a FG.

It's because Heroes don't direct fire. The hero just gets the -1 when he fires. Same reason that a Hero -1 applies to multi hex FG.

The hero is just so damn good at doing his thing that there is a neg one applied just because he is involved. 👍 🆒

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Interesting that it applies only to Leadership DRM and not to Heroic DRM. There is also no requirement that Heroic DRM be used on GO units (that I found on brief perusal), so Hero DRM can be used on Berserkers, even as part of a FG.
It was only somewhat recently that I stumbled upon the same 'perusal' as you. I don't recall how a Hero and a zerker (same side) got involved in a CC/Melee together, but when I wanted to have them attack together with Hero modification, I had to do a quick rules dive. Seeing that the prohibition against such was not for a SMC, but for a Leader only, I modified away! In-game, I did not find the time nor brain cells to extrapolate the same thing for FGs. So, I appreciate your post putting it into print.

Which brings up another side-bar.....how often in the rules you have to carefully watch for whether they say leader, Hero, or SMC. I've seen it all, including an oppo trying to have a Hero accompany a brokie in the RtPh.
 
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