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Does a unit attempting to Advance into a Fort lose its concealment when it is prevented from doing so by a unit in the Fort which, per a Perry Sez, does retain its Concealment.
eASLRB said:B23.922 ENTRY: Infantry may not enter a Fortified Building Location during any phase if an unpinned, Good Order, armed enemy squad (or its equivalent) is inside [EXC: Breach; 23.9221]. A berserk unit must remain in the adjacent hex attacking it in its AFPh/DFPh until the occupants have been pinned, broken, or Reduced sufficiently to allow it to enter (or until another enemy unit becomes adjacent to it, in which case the berserk unit must charge this new unit). An Infantry unit which attempts to move or advance into a Fortified Building Location occupied by such a squad loses that MPh or APh capability for that turn and must remain in its present hex during that phase. The MF expended (not lost) in an unsuccessful entry attempt are considered expended in its present hex for purposes of Residual FP (A12.15), Defensive First Fire, Subsequent First Fire, or FPF; however, once all such fire is completed, the unit’s MPh is over and it is no longer a target for such attacks. Loss of concealment rules (A12.15) apply even though the Fortified Location cannot be entered.
I'm not sure...per this Q&A the unit inside the FBL does not lose "?" - so I am not sure the unit trying to advance in does either....Does a unit attempting to Advance into a Fort lose its concealment when it is prevented from doing so by a unit in the Fort which, per a Perry Sez, does retain its Concealment.
Yes, that's the Q&A we found and how we played it - we left the Advancing unit remain Concealed. The question seemed to us to be is attempting to Advance in but failing to do so included in 'any other action'.I'm not sure...per this Q&A the unit inside the FBL does not lose "?" - so I am not sure the unit trying to advance in does either....
A12.15 & B23.922
There is Concealed squad in a yet unrevealed Fortified Building Location. During the Advance Phase, an enemy Infantry unit
attempts to Advance into this Fortified Building Location. Is it correct, that the Fortified Building Location would be revealed but
the Concealment of the squad in the Fortified Building Location is retained because the attempted entry is happening during the
Advance Phase?
A. The squad would be temporarily revealed to proof its existence and then retain concealment.
I think normal detection - A12.15 - rules only applies for movment - not advance:
12.15 DETECTION: Concealment can also be lost due to attempted enemy movement (not advance) into a concealed unit’s Location...
Interesting question....might have to send that one to MMP for a Q&A clarification...The question seemed to us to be is attempting to Advance in but failing to do so included in 'any other action'.
The last sentence (especially) of higher-numbered rule B23.922 makes clear that the Advancing unit generally loses ? in this case. My post above.I'm not sure...per this Q&A the unit inside the FBL does not lose "?" - so I am not sure the unit trying to advance in does either....
Thank you.Interesting question....might have to send that one to MMP for a Q&A clarification...
change the word to published. Maybe finalized. But we have had iterations of the RB after G was written, published, finalized, and revised.A12.15 only deals with the situation where a unit attempts to enter a fortified building during the movement phase.
12.15 DETECTION: Concealment can also be lost due to attempted enemy movement (not advance) into a concealed unit's Location.
I think that B23.922 has to be read accordingly. The only circumstance listed in the concealment loss table where movement in the APh causes loss of concealment is where the hex entered is open ground. Advance onto a panji counter should probably be added to this but the table was created before Chapter G waswrittenpublished.