A leader and a HS with a PSK walk into a K/1

[Will Fleming]

Say this happens and the result is a K/1 with the HS only getting the CR. Does the leader get a chance to grab the SW before it takes a 1MC (risking break/pin/worse) or can it grab the PSK before taking its 1MC?

 

[hongkongwargamer]

Dude .. sounds like we asked the same question. Discussion on Discord suggests that the K/# is "immediate" (although A4.44 also says "immediate" for SW Recovery). No rules cited so far.

 

[R Hooks]

rules rules rules I think unless a sniper happens too, you would finish the 1MC before checking possession.

 

[von Marwitz]

rules rules rules I think unless a sniper happens too, you would finish the 1MC before checking possession.

This. Resolution of the attack first, then Recovery attempt of SW.

von Marwitz

 

[hongkongwargamer]

Gents, reasoning it thru, we figured as much - but how do you figure the term "immediate" in A4.44 figure into the situation? Please provide rule citation where possible.

 

[von Marwitz]

Gents - how do you figure the term "immediate" in A4.44 figure into the situation? Please provide rule citation where possible.

Without providing a rules reference, I'd say the most immediate thing of all which is happening are the bullets coming in, which for that reason have to be dealt with first.

Timing is bullets arriving at HS and Leader at the same time, then leader is grabbing.

Timing is not bullets arriving at the HS, then bullets magically stopping short of leader while he's grabbing, then bullets resuming movement for the last meters towards the leader.

At least this is how I picture it in my head. Of course one could say that the bullets are flying a full two minute turn while the HS gets hit and sometime during these 2 minutes the leader might recover the SW. Still, that would lead to the question, how the leader somehow 'magically' contrieves never to be hit before the HS, because we would always have the immediate chance to grab.

Bottom line for me is that the resolution of the attack must come first. I'll leave it to others to find the rules quote.

von Marwitz

 

[hongkongwargamer]

Without providing a rules reference, I'd say the most immediate thing of all which is happening are the bullets coming in, which for that reason have to be dealt with first.

Timing is bullets arriving at HS and Leader at the same time, then leader is grabbing.

Timing is not bullets arriving at the HS, then bullets magically stopping short of leader while he's grabbing, then bullets resuming movement for the last meters towards the leader.

At least this is how I picture it in my head. Of course one could say that the bullets are flying a full two minute turn while the HS gets hit and sometime during these 2 minutes the leader might recover the SW. Still, that would lead to the question, how the leader somehow 'magically' contrieves never to be hit before the HS, because we would always have the immediate chance to grab.

Bottom line for me is that the resolution of the attack must come first. I'll leave it to others to find the rules quote.

von Marwitz

Without having ever been in combat, that's how I imagine it too. That is not under dispute.

A4.44 states "... if a unit surrenders, is eliminated, or routs away and cannot carry its SW, an Infantry SMC can immediately Recover one of that Infantry unit's SW/Guns in this same manner but regardless of phase"

I'd like to see how this squares with the situation.

 

[von Marwitz]

A similar thread, which comes to the same conclusion, though without rules reference:

B28.9 Booby Trap Sequence of Result

Assume a Booby Trap is triggered in a hex containing multiple units, including a leader, and a 12 is rolled by, say, the unit below the leader, thus triggering a Booby Trap result, after an IFT shot requiring a PTC. Is the Booby Trap Caslaty Reduction result immediate, that is, before the...

www.gamesquad.com

But see also this, which seems kind of fuzzy:

LLTC question

An 8-1 leader and a 4-6-7 are forced to take a MC. The leader fails and the MMC rolls snakes which turns into BH to a 4-6-8. Are they now exempt from a LLTC? Thanks.

www.gamesquad.com

As a consequence, I'd just go with my gut feeling and resolve the attack first.

von Marwitz