No. A20.53 says "All prisoners move at the foot rate (not the Cavalry rate) of their accompanying Guard as one combined stack". This means that they always have the same MF as the Guard, without having to go CX.CHERDE said:If a guard goes CX and forces their prisoners to move 6 MF with them : Do the prisoners go CX?
I wonder how you glean that meaning.Ole Boe said:No. A20.53 says "All prisoners move at the foot rate (not the Cavalry rate) of their accompanying Guard as one combined stack". This means that they always have the same MF as the Guard, without having to go CX.
What's difficult is that "foot rate" has no meaning. I don't know what "foot rate" is.CHERDE said:Can perhaps bebakken and Ole further support their causes?
Foot rate means that they pay MF costs as Infantry on the Chapter B/F/G charts. It is defined in the first sentence of A20.53. This is because Cavalry can Guard prisoners.bebakken said:What's difficult is that "foot rate" has no meaning. I don't know what "foot rate" is.
Ah, that makes sense. It refers to movement cost , and not movement allotment . I can deal with that. It seems to make sense, though it could (should) be stated better.WaterRabbit said:Foot rate means that they pay MF costs as Infantry on the Chapter B/F/G charts. It is defined in the first sentence of A20.53. This is because Cavalry can Guard prisoners.
Inexperienced Personnel Restrictions only applies to "abandoned prisoners". So while they are Guarded, I conclude they are governed by Infantry Movement for MMC (i.e. A4.1 - .11). The problem with that conclusion is that when captured, the Unarmed units are not in Good Order; therefore, since A4.11 applies to Good Order MMC, it would appear that Prisoners are not governed by A4.11, but of course the Guards are.WaterRabbit said:1) When guarding prisioners, are Guards limited by the 3 MF allotment of the Unarmed units?
I believe "yes", though it is very difficult to prove using the ASLRB. What a surprise.WaterRabbit said:2) If the Guard Double Times/Advances vs. Difficult Terrain/Minimum Moves is the Unarmed unit also CX?
I understand the first sentence slightly different, and understand it to mean that the Guard can always move as far as its Guard (if the Guard is not Cavalry).WaterRabbit said:Foot rate means that they pay MF costs as Infantry on the Chapter B/F/G charts. It is defined in the first sentence of A20.53. This is because Cavalry can Guard prisoners.
No, "All prisoners move at the foot rate (not the Cavalry rate) of their accompanying Guard", thus if the Guard has X MF, the Prisoner effectively has the same amount. That's why a Double Timing Hero with 8 MF can get the Prisoner to move with him without having to make the Prisoner CX - they simply move at the hero's foot rate.So there are two questions:
1) When guarding prisioners, are Guards limited by the 3 MF allotment of the Unarmed units?
I would generally say so. If the advance cost is >= 4 MF, the rule calls for CX regardless of whether the unit is a prisoner or not.2) If the Guard Double Times/Advances vs. Difficult Terrain/Minimum Moves is the Unarmed unit also CX?
I agree with the sloppiness, but I take "move at the foot rate ... of their Guard" to mean that they simply inherit their Guard's MF.Now the wording in A20.5 is kind of sloppy about using Unarmed and Prisioner, but in reading through it Prisioner is a subset of Unarmed, so I would say yes, 3 MF is the normal allotment of a Prisioner as well.
I agree that it might be reasonable, but unless there is a general rule, only those mentioned applies - thus not CX.Because a Prisioner shares the status of the Guard WRT TI/Hazardous Movement/Pin, it seems reasonable to assume that CX applies as well since it is not specifically excluded.
Or more specifically, since the Guard shares the status of the Prisoner with respect to entrenchments or clearing rubble (even though they are apparently doing nothing), it seems pretty odd that the Guards can be CX and the Prisoner not.I agree that it might be reasonable, but unless there is a general rule, only those mentioned applies - thus not CX.Because a Prisioner shares the status of the Guard WRT TI/Hazardous Movement/Pin, it seems reasonable to assume that CX applies as well since it is not specifically excluded.