88L v ATT

[TopT]

Just making sure I am doing this correctly.

An 88L firing at a concealed stack in woods (13 hex range) would attempt @ th9+2 for concealed (and the TEM would be added on the effects DR)?

 

[Matt Book]

On the Infantry Target Type you need a TH DR 4 or less....
On the Area Target Type you need a TH DR 7 or less and you add the +1 TEM for the woods to the effect roll

 

[Michael R]

I need more information to be sure that I am answering correctly.

It sounds like a concealed 1/2 inch stack.
If you are using Area Target Type the Base TH at 13 is 8.
The L makes a Modified TH of 9.
the DRM is +2 for concealed.

 

[TopT]

I need more information to be sure that I am answering correctly.

It sounds like a concealed 1/2 inch stack.
If you are using Area Target Type the Base TH at 13 is 8.
The L makes a Modified TH of 9.
the DRM is +2 for concealed.

You have it correct, a 1/2 inch concealed stack
If a hit occurred, is the FP still halved as they are still concealed or do they get the full FP
Thanks

 

[klasmalmstrom]

If a hit occurred, is the FP still halved as they are still concealed or do they get the full FP

C.4:
"Ordnance Area Fire never halves the FP effect of any hit."

Since you are using the Area Target Type - the FP is halved. So a hit would attack with on the 8-CP column.

 

[EagleIV]

If a hit occurred, is the FP still halved as they are still concealed or do they get the full FP
Thanks

Klas is correct the FP is halved, but it is halved for using ATT. If the stack was unconcealed the attack would still be halved for using ATT.

 

[bendizoid]

On the Infantry Target Type you need a TH DR 4 or less....
On the Area Target Type you need a TH DR 7 or less and you add the +1 TEM for the woods to the effect roll

He gets a +1 for L gun at greater than 13 hexes so his base is 9.

 

[pwashington]

Klas is correct the FP is halved, but it is halved for using ATT. If the stack was unconcealed the attack would still be halved for using ATT.

That took me a while to internalize. Most people fire ATT at concealed targets so they can gain ACQ since you can't gain it against Concealed targets using ITT/VTT. If hit using ATT, the resulting FP is halved not because the target is Concealed (like would happen in most other types of attacks), but because you used ATT. The Case K +2 TH DRM is the penalty Ordnance pays to shoot at a Concealed target (i.e., it's harder to hit, but would take the full impact if using ITT/VTT). See the last sentence of C6.2. I always thought the cases of firing against Concealed targets using either ATT or VTT/ITT could have used a couple of more examples in the rules to better clarify the common areas of confusion.

Feel free to make any corrections/clarifications to the above.

 

[Matt Book]

He gets a +1 for L gun at greater than 13 hexes so his base is 9.

Right, 9 base on the ATT, add the +2 DRM for Concealment for a Final TH of 7 or less

 

[bendizoid]

You have it correct, a 1/2 inch concealed stack
If a hit occurred, is the FP still halved as they are still concealed or do they get the full FP
Thanks

They are halved once like all area fire is.

 

[Stewart]

NO ROF

 

[Robin Reeve]

NO ROF

There always is a trade-off.
However, excepted in the DFPh, Intensive Fire allows another shot – and the TH penalty will be mitigated by the -1 Acquisition (including when bracketing to ITT/VTT if the target lost concealment).

 

[DVexile]

There always is a trade-off.
However, excepted in the DFPh AFPh, Intensive Fire allows another shot – and the TH penalty will be mitigated by the -1 Acquisition (including when bracketing to ITT/VTT if the target lost concealment).

Typo corrected…

 

[Robin Reeve]

Typo corrected…

During the DFPh, Intensive Fire is only allowed for a Gun which first fired and is marked with a First Fire counter - and only vs an ADJACENT target.
That is, during DFPh, a Gun may not IF if it started firing during that phase.
So your correction is an additional infirmation rather than the correction of a typo.

 

[Eagle4ty]

During the DFPh, Intensive Fire is only allowed for a Gun which first fired and is marked with a First Fire counter - and only vs an ADJACENT target.
That is, during DFPh, a Gun may not IF if it started firing during that phase.
So your correction is an additional infirmation rather than the correction of a typo.

this is often missed by players. Interestingly not only has this been brought up several times on this forum but it was specifically noted in a Tips From The Trenches, ASL Journal 3, page 22. Good call Robin!