'1' Sniper and Unarmored Vehicle

cwillmer

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A '1' sniper hits an unarmored vehicle, a Kfz 4 in particular. Does it:

a) STUN and RECALL the CE crew (A14.3)
b) Break the crew (A14.3)
c) Immobilize the Kfz 4 (A14.33)

D5.311 would suggest that (b) is N/A since that rule contains an EXC for Sniper attacks.
 

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dr: 1 Eliminates SMC, Dummy stack, or (as per 14.4) Sniper; Stuns and Recalls CE crew; breaks MMC (or Reduces MMC that does not break); breaks Inherent crew of unarmored-vehicle/Partially-Armored-AFV; immobilizes unarmored vehicle (see 14.33).
 

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Vinnie, which one? Stun/Recall, breaks the crew. or immobilizes the vehicle?
 

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But shouldn't it also "breaks Inherent crew of unarmored-vehicle," so both ?
 

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But shouldn't it also "breaks Inherent crew of unarmored-vehicle," so both ?
"A14.2 TARGET SELECTION: ... Should the target Location be occupied by > one eligible (14.22) target, use Random Selection to determine the target(s) in that Location [EXC: prior to Random Selection, the Sniper may choose one of the following (if present in that Location) as its target: the enemy Sniper counter; a Vulnerable Inherent Crew; or an unarmored vehicle; if any eligible target is concealed, see 14.23].

"A14.33 vs UNARMORED VEHICLE: An unarmored vehicle and its PRC cannot be attacked by the same Sniper dr. A Sniper attack vs an unarmored vehicle itself can only immobilize it, and only if the Sniper dr were a "1". There is no further effect vs an already-immobilized unarmored vehicle if it is immobilized again. See also 14.22."

In the OP it is stated that the Sniper hit the Unarmored Vehicle. In that case, it is Immobilized (only).

The Kfz 4 is an 'unarmored vehicle'. But as it has a 6FP AAMG, it is an 'armed vehicle' as well and thus has an Inherent Crew. As such, the Kfz 4 is actually two elegible targets for the Sniper: The Unarmored Vehicle itself and the Inherent Crew. Normally, Random Selection would determine if the Vehicle itself or the Inherent Crew is hit, but per the Exception, the Sniper may choose which one.

I assumed that by the statement of the opening-poster that the Sniper 'hit the Unarmored Vehicle' he had made the conscious selection of hitting the vehicle rather than the crew. Probably, the OP was not aware that he had such a choice.

If the player makes use of his choice per the EXC., then only one of the results can apply: Either Immobilization of the Unarmored Vehicle or Breaking the Inherent Crew.

In case the player makes no use of his choice per the EXC., then Random Selection would be rolled for and applied. In case Random Selection would be a tie, then the player could select which would initially occur i.e. either the Immobilization of the Unarmored Vehicle or the Breaking of its Inherent Crew. If a subsequent Sniper Activation Roll would result in a second activation, then the second target could also be affected, i.e. the vehicle could be immobilized and its inherent crew broken.

More precisely, an Immobilization result can only occur on a Sniper dr of 1.
  • So if the Sniper dr is a 2 and the target location only has the Kfz 4 in it, the only result is the Inherent Crew being broken.
  • If the Sniper dr is a 1 and the player decides not to select per the EXC. the Immobilization of the vehicle but to break the Inherent Crew instead, that is fine.
  • If the Sniper dr is a 1 and the player decides not to select per the EXC but rather roll for Random Selection the outcome of which is a tie, he could select the Immobilization first. A subsequent SAN dr of 1 or 2 would activate the Sniper again to break the Inherent Crew.
  • If the Sniper dr is a 1 and the player decides not to select per the EXC but rather roll for Random Selection the outcome of which is a tie, he could select the breaking of the Inherent Crew first. A subsequent SAN dr of 1 or 2 would activate the Sniper again but only a dr of one could have the additional effect of Immobilization of the vehicle.
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Wouldn't a '2' pin the inherent crew of an unarmored vehicle?
Yes, it would PIN the crew of an Unarmored vehicle.

Since an Unarmored vehicle with no PRC can be considered an ineligible target at the Sniper player's option, it rarely should be a pin target.
 
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