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This is exactly the forward thinking of the question. Extra jam for you !

The question was about dividing so to speak carrying and non carrying units and CX and who it applies to. Also differentiating it via one stack.

Have always wondered..... 9-1 MMG 447 447 447 If the stack moves as a whole, do the units that do not carry the MMG go CX? In which case with 4 hex move the 9-2 and MMG+ 447 MMG would be CX but the 2 other units would not. With a 5 hex move all units would be CX since it exceeds...

Interesting ..

My point is INCLUDING towards a KEU , not to do with withdrawl as a concept ..towards a KEU .? If so it would be unique

Seems to be a good " bypass freeze" weapon. The enemy either has to fire ( objective fulfilled) AC has + 2 TEM for attacks .. pretty good OR get freezed. OR Can keep units DM by just going adj to broken units. (Improve breakthroughs). OR Can fire at Factory roofs with...

@jrvjrv Jul 19, 2022 (edited) Michael@mixykym JR V@jrvjrv It's in bypass that concealment is stripped automatically. Entering the obstacle proper does not force automatic concealment loss, although there may be a PAATC required. If entering the obstacle or ending the MPh in the obstacle led...

So each unit moves 1 hex. The only time a unit may be adjacent to an enemy unit. Do normal rout rules apply, for example routing towards a KEU. Which in most cases eliminates the unit.... Basically a death sentence .

So basically just 1 unit does the withdrawing and that is the end of it.. Non GO units do not force DM on adjacent broken units and may even rally. At which point the GO one would DM the other...

Very well said . Yes its quite subtle..

Hi, This is a log of the CC situation with AFV and enemy MMC . The first is with AFV enters hex and DM enemy MMC in its MPh. The second is when the AFV and MMC are in melee and the AFV subsequently DM the in hex units ( TPBF is a scary thing). The main questions I have is what...

A10.62 describes the causes of DM. One of them is being attacked in CC..since where in the CC table is DM caused ? A DM unit under a tank ,excuse the pun, can just rout . Needless to say a broken unit under a tank will be thus DM.

That opens up a recent thread on that CC -the counter- is an intermediate event like a ball in flight before it lands . This opens up the question what is the difference between a broken vs a DM unit in CC. Or melee. In the melee case is be interested to know IF a DM unit can rout . I don't...

Well one set of DM units is German... " The DRM is -2 when attacking a broken unit, not a DM unit. " <-- This means ?????

In the DFPh the AFV fired as 24 + 1 at the tank hex which was as melee previous turn. All units broke... Question 1: ( both units withdrew in the situation above) As it is the CCPh the AFV gets a CC roll with a -2 DRM for withdrawing units. On this occasion the roll was greater than 7...

I was looking at the DM part and the ability to get away from the AFV, the delay does not affect the infantry unit I don't think .... Is that the same if an infantry unit was in the same location. Either broken could just rout away. Thus both need to be in GO to actually melee..

Talk about camel 🐫 through the eye of a needle stuff ...

Ok so it's good to be broken in some cases . You could vol break and just keep " repositioning' by this method A10.41 Also avoid AFPh by the AFV.Rout happens before AFPh... You could even do this in an OVR or if the AFV sits on you as well and does not break you . Very sneaky ....

After an OVR ..... Is the AFV stopped if it finishes it's MPh in that hex? In the SAME turn does an enemy that DM have an opportunity to rout as normal? If so , when is this not the case ?Do infantry have to be in the hex to stop this normal rout .....Seems pretty slippery .... Thank you..

Does an enemy that is OVR lose ? the same way as a stopped AFV in the hex? It will often happen (in RB) that an AFV will end up stopped at the end of its Mph in any event.