Hollow Legions reprint, Will you play the desert?

[Actionjick]

Evan I would love to see them. Have only played High Danger and have Blazin' Chariots next on my list.

Try Fort McGregor. My favorite, Fish also.

 

[Actionjick]

I have but for very few occasions ventured into the desert yet.

But this is mostly due to my laziness to learn the rules and not because of a dislike for the theater.
The point is that one needs to play a set of rules regularly in order to really get a hold on them - just playing half a dozen scenarios of desert, night, air support, PTO, beach landings etc. won't do.

Given the number of scenarios played per year in total, this somewhat limits the expansion of one's scope, I feel.

von Marwitz

Good observation about extensively playing one theater or mode.

 

[Actionjick]

Evan I would love to see them. Have only played High Danger and have Blazin' Chariots next on my list.

Check out Fort McGregor.

 

[Actionjick]

Decades ago in my youth, I developed a deep interest in WWII armor reading about the Western Desert campaigns, particularly between the British 8th Army and the DAK. Pre-SL, I sought out desert scenarios for PanzerBlitz/Leader but never found any to my liking. Tried learning Tobruk when it came out, but that is when real life got in the way for a couple of decades (college/Air Force). Now that I have the time, I am really looking forward to seeing the battles come to life on the table!!

Back in the late '70s I went through my DTO period where I was very much into reading whatever I could about the that theater. Met Mac early in '82 and started playtesting DTO for him shortly afterwards. Great stuff!!

 

[The Purist]

I have a few 3rd party scenario packs but they generally lack desert scenarios. The 'official' scenarios do give us a fairly broad scope for the cam[aign in Africa (including east Africa and Syria/Iraq/Iran). This is from my own chronology of war (the new AP 16 scenarios need to be added):

#	Scen #	Date	Location	Name	Nationality	Where	Theatre
1	A061	16-Jun-40	Nevzet Ghirba, Libya	Across the Wire	Ital. vs. Brit	93b	NA
2	J162	10-Jul-40	Moyale, Kenya	African Brothers	Ital. vs. Brit	J11	NA
3	A039	11-Aug-40	Tug Argan Pass, Somaliland	Showdown at Tug Argan Pass	India vs. Ital	92	NA
4	J127	06-Nov-40	Tamanau Gap, Eritrea	Mersservy's Men	Ital. vs. Brit	J9	NA
5	G20	09-Dec-40	Bir Enba, Egypt	Camp Nibeiwa	India vs. Ital	Gen 29/3	NA
6	58	07-Feb-41	Sidi Saleh, Libya	Ci Arrendiamo	Ital. vs. Brit	HL	NA
7	J047	08-Feb-41	Beda Fomm, Libya	They're Here! Reverse!	Ital. vs. Brit	J3	NA
8	J163	29-Mar-41	Dire Dawa, Ethiopia	Aiding the Local Constabulary	Ital. vs. Eth.	J11	NA
9	39	31-Mar-41	Mersa El Brega, Libya	Turning the Tables	Brit. vs. Ger	WoA	NA
10	38	07-Apr-41	Derna, Libya	Escape From Derna	Brit. vs. Ger	WoA	NA
11	J091	14-Apr-41	Tobruk, Libya	The Sooner the Better	Brit. vs. Ger	J6	NA
12	G23	05-May-41	Habbaniya, Iraq	Habbaniya Heights	Iraq vs. Brit	Gen 29/5	NA
13	J184	08-Jun-41	Iskenderun, Syria	Dayan to Meet You	Vichy vs. Brit.	J12	NA
14	Tac 40	16-Jun-41	Sidi Omar, Libya	Scottish Nightmare	Brit. vs. Ger	Tac 40	NA
15	81	20-Jun-41	S of Damascus, Syria	Fratricidal Fighting	Vichy vs. F.F.L.	CdG 2	NA
16	249	20-Jun-41	Mezze, Syria	Showdown in Syria	India vs. Vichy	CdG 2	NA
17	G24	25-Aug-41	Qasr Shaikh, Iran	Mountain Comes to Mohammed	Iran vs. Brit	Gen 29/5	NA
18	35	19-Nov-41	Gabr Saleh, Libya	Blazin' Chariots	Brit. vs. Ger	WoA	NA
19	56	19-Nov-41	Bir El Gubi, Libya	Half A Chance	Ital. vs. Brit	HL	NA
20	J186	20-Nov-41	Bir Bu Meliha, Libya	Castles on the Horizon	Brit. vs. Ger	J12	NA
21	42	23-Nov-41	E of Sidi Rezegh, Libya	Point of No Return	N.Z. vs. Ger	WoA	NA
22	G09	23-Nov-41	Sidi Rezegh, Libya	Sunday of the Dead	S. Afr. vs. Ger	Gen 25/6	NA
23	J030	26-Nov-41	Sidi Rezegh, Libya	Nocturnal Attrition	Ital. vs. Brit	J2	NA
24	A090	19-Dec-41	S of Halfaya Pass, Egypt	Cutting Out a Strongpoint	S. Afr. vs. Ger	95	NA
25	37	13-Jun-42	SW of Tobruk, Libya	Khamsin	Brit. vs. Ger	WoA	NA
26	J079	31-Aug-42	Alam Halfa, Egypt	Rommel's Remedy	Brit. vs. Ger	J5	NA
27	J080	31-Aug-42	Alam Halfa, Egypt	Egypt's Last Hope	Brit. vs. Ger	J5	NA
28	J081	01-Sep-42	Point 102, Egypt	Twisted Knickers	Brit. vs. Ger	J5	NA
29	A095	16-Sep-42	Anjiaja, Madagascar	The Long Road	Vichy vs. Brit.	96	NA
30	A050	27-Oct-42	W of El Alamein, Egypt	…And Here We Damned Well Stay	Brit. vs. Ger	92	NA
31	80	08-Nov-42	Mehdia, Morocco	Play Ball	Vichy vs. U.S.	CdG 2	NA
32	OA24	08-Nov-42	Port Lyautey, Morocco	Buying Time	Vichy vs. U.S.	OoA2	NA
33	OA31	08-Nov-42	Fedala, Morocco	With Friends Like These	Vichy vs. U.S.	OoA2	NA
34	250	10-Nov-42	Port-Lyautey, Morocco	The French Decide to Fight	Vichy vs. U.S.	CdG 2	NA
35	OA25	19-Nov-42	Medjez el Bab, Tunisia	Side By Side	Vichy vs. Ger	OoA2	NA
36	OA03	21-Nov-42	Djebel Lessouda, Tunisia	Waiting for Fredendall	Brit. vs. Ger	OoA 1	NA
37	AP073	26-Nov-42	St Joseph's Farm, Chouigui, Tunisia	Happy Valley	U.S. vs. Ger	AP8	NA
38	AP064	28-Nov-42	Djefna, Tunisia	A Well-Engineered Ambush	Ital. vs. Brit	AP7	NA
39	J167	28-Nov-42	Djedeida, Tunisia	Hart Attack	U.S. vs. Ger	J11	NA
40	U02	10-Dec-42	Bordj Toum Station, Tunisia	Sweep for Bordj Toum Bridge	U.S. vs. Ger	GI 12	NA
41	A020	15-Feb-43	Sidi Bou Zid, Tunisia	Counterattack at Sidi Bou Zid	U.S. vs. Ger	90	NA
42	A018	17-Feb-43	Sbeitla, Tunisia	Sbeitla Probe	U.S. vs. Ger	90	NA
43	A112	20-Feb-43	Kasserine Pass, Tunisia	Gift of Time	U.S. vs. Ger	97	NA
44	40	26-Feb-43	Medjez El Bab, Tunisia	Fort McGregor	Brit. vs. Ger	WoA	NA
45	A056	16-Mar-43	SE of Mareth, Tunisia	A Good Party	Brit. vs. Ger	93a	NA
46	41	22-Mar-43	Wadi Zigzaou, Tunisia	A Bridgehead Too Wet	Brit. vs. Ger	WoA	NA
47	51	20-Apr-43	Takrouna, Tunisia	The Taking of Takrouna	Ital. vs. N.Z.	HL	NA
48	J050	29-Apr-43	Hill 107, Tunisia	The Cactus Farm	Brit. vs. Ger	J3	NA

 

[pybarrondo]

I think the popularity of the HL preorder shows there's interest in DTO. I've aways been a desert fan. If you've got new scenario ideas, I'm buying. A lot of people will be getting their first taste of DTO with the HL reprint. The bigger the menu, the better.

 

[von Marwitz]

Usually, the (re-)release of a 'themed' product triggers a number of follow-up releases on the topic.

When 'Armies of Oblivion' came out, for a while you had Minors all over the place.

von Marwitz

 

[M.Koch]

Ok, someone has to be killjoy.
No, i won´t play desert scenarios.

 

[vetsurg]

Have never played a DTO scenario because I did not own the maps and counters. I pre-ordered HL so am very much looking forward to learning chapter F and playing some.

 

[MajorDomo]

Nope, although played a few.

They seem to mostly resemble a showdown at the OK Corral.

 

[Actionjick]

Nope, although played a few.

They seem to mostly resemble a showdown at the OK Corral.

That's an interesting and relatively apt description.

 

[JRKrejsa]

I never stopped playing them. But, they were a once a year thing.

I would like to see more small to medium sized DTO scenarios. Most of the existing ones tend to be quite big.

 

[von Marwitz]

I never stopped playing them. But, they were a once a year thing.

I would like to see more small to medium sized DTO scenarios. Most of the existing ones tend to be quite big.

Probably a lot of real estate is somewhat inherent to DTO because the lack of LOS-Blocking terrain requires some space to make up for it with room for maneuver or to bring the range-aspect of weaponry in it.

That said, as the MF of Infantry remain unchanged, more time is necessary to cover ground.

And there you go - larger scenarios...

von Marwitz

 

[Actionjick]

Probably a lot of real estate is somewhat inherent to DTO because the lack of LOS-Blocking terrain requires some space to make up for it with room for maneuver or to bring the range-aspect of weaponry in it.

That said, as the MF of Infantry remain unchanged, more time is necessary to cover ground.

And there you go - larger scenarios...

von Marwitz

Seems like valid observations.

 

[Old Noob]

Played Blazin' Chariots once, haven't gone back to the desert. Would like to try again in the future.

 

[M.Koch]

Nope, although played a few.

Same for me. I have played all from Hollow Legions and two or three others, many years ago.
ETO and PTO catch me more than DTO, simple as that.

 

[Actionjick]

Same for me. I have played all from Hollow Legions and two or three others, many years ago.
ETO and PTO catch me more than DTO, simple as that.

Definitely not everyone's favorite theater. As much as I loved the DTO I preferred the ETO.

 

[Mister T]

Under current rules, DTO is wasted time. There is always a better use of your available time with ETO/PTO alternatives.

 

[Old Noob]

Never limit yourself to one or two theaters. I've tried all four, ETO, MTO, EF and PTO. Each has a distinct flavor of play to sample.

 

[Eagle4ty]

What a silly question in the thread title. Duh! Of course (it's ASL).