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I agree with your point and by talking about them I hope MMP understands there is interest in them.My point was everything could be put out there to be printed in order to bring older HASLs back in the world
I agree with your point and by talking about them I hope MMP understands there is interest in them.My point was everything could be put out there to be printed in order to bring older HASLs back in the world
I'd bet that if you put out a call for volunteers to work on those you would get plenty.Many of the older HASLs are not in current electronic formats and would require significant work update/convert the files into a format that can be used to create the PDFs.
Some could consider that a quiet enlistment of volunteers.Many of the older HASLs are not in current electronic formats and would require significant work update/convert the files into a format that can be used to create the PDFs.
This is not really the way to do it. There's a big discussion going on now in the open-source (*) community about how big companies are making massive profits off the back of work done by volunteers, and while this is a bit smaller-scale , the idea is the same. Give the older HASL's to the community, and then invite people to work on them. Keeping them proprietary, getting people to work on them for free, then making money off that work is not cool.I'd bet that if you put out a call for volunteers to work on those you would get plenty.
Yes, that was kinda my point If it doesn't make financial sense to resurrect these things, then they will just languish at the bottom of someone's drawer, never to see the light of day of again. Opening them up creates the possibility that they could come back to life again. But persuading a big company to give up the rights to a product that they own and sell is a big ask...I’m sure the margin on producing and publishing theses games are very small
Except that work that would be asked for is already done. There are scads of people who have made personal scans of their whole collections (wasn't that the starting point for the Journals that are on WGV now?). Pick a nice one and sell it. I get a HASL I could never afford for cheap, MMP gets some moola, somebody who provided a scan they had already done anyway gets $50 from MMP or whatever, everybody wins. I don't really see the value in beancounting whether MMP is winning "too much" in this scenario.This is not really the way to do it. There's a big discussion going on now in the open-source (*) community about how big companies are making massive profits off the back of work done by volunteers, and while this is a bit smaller-scale , the idea is the same.
If it's just a question of selling a scanned version, then yes, it's a non-issue. MMP could do that themselves, with minimal effort. But if you look at what they've done for the rulebook, and the old magazines they've resurrected, it's an enormous amount of work. Just creating all the links in the RB would've been a massive undertaking, but they've also incorporated all the errata, tidied up the layout, updated the scenarios, etc. etc. It provides a huge amount of value, and it's greatly appreciated, but you have to wonder how cost-effective it was i.e. how many dollars will they get back for the number of hours spent working on it? And for the more obscure HASL's, what are the chances such a project would get green-lit, based on projected ROI? But this is exactly the kind of thing hobbyists would do, just for the love of it.Except that work that would be asked for is already done. There are scads of people who have made personal scans of their whole collections (wasn't that the starting point for the Journals that are on WGV now?).
My understanding is the proofreaders for the eASLRB did it all for free, not even a free copy.If it's just a question of selling a scanned version, then yes, it's a non-issue. MMP could do that themselves, with minimal effort. But if you look at what they've done for the rulebook, and the old magazines they've resurrected, it's an enormous amount of work. Just creating all the links in the RB would've been a massive undertaking, but they've also incorporated all the errata, tidied up the layout, updated the scenarios, etc. etc. It provides a huge amount of value, and it's greatly appreciated, but you have to wonder how cost-effective it was i.e. how many dollars will they get back for the number of hours spent working on it? And for the more obscure HASL's, what are the chances such a project would get green-lit, based on projected ROI? But this is exactly the kind of thing hobbyists would do, just for the love of it.
Just another example of Big ASL pushing around the little guy. HahahahaMy understanding is the proofreaders for the eASLRB did it all for free, not even a free copy.
Like with most products, some proofers (or play testers) got a free copy.My understanding is the proofreaders for the eASLRB did it all for free, not even a free copy.
Well, you can find an opponent who owns the necessary rules for BRT and play it on VASL with him.BRT is on my bucket list. But at $300 for the module I havnt pulled the trigger on it for years. If the rules were available in PDF format, I would just use VASL to play it as I still have kids and pets in my house (and love it!) so having a map like that setup just isnt possible at this point. And I dont want to take a scan from someone else, as if I am getting it digitially I want it to be on the up and up and for MMP to get their deserved kickback from it.
There seemed to be an indication that these would be included in the eASLRB at some point in the future, which would be great.So my cents: make the HASL rule sections available in PDF format for those of us who are willing to play over VASL with the maps that are already available.
Very thoughtful reasoning.Well, you can find an opponent who owns the necessary rules for BRT and play it on VASL with him.
It is not improper to do so. MMP (nor any other gaming company for that matter) cannot expect both players to buy a product when the two of them come together to play it. You can only play on one map after all and can only use one set of counters at a time. Expecting anything beyond that would be quite absurd.
Just imagine: Five people coming together to play a game of Monopoly. One doesn't own the game. "Well, that's too sad. Not owning the game you may not play with us..."
von Marwitz
No disagreement at all. If I was going to someones house and they had a scenario, I wouldnt feel like I had to own it, I would be more than happy to play that scenario - whether stand alone or HASL.Well, you can find an opponent who owns the necessary rules for BRT and play it on VASL with him.
It is not improper to do so. MMP (nor any other gaming company for that matter) cannot expect both players to buy a product when the two of them come together to play it. You can only play on one map after all and can only use one set of counters at a time. Expecting anything beyond that would be quite absurd.
Just imagine: Five people coming together to play a game of Monopoly. One doesn't own the game. "Well, that's too sad. Not owning the game you may not play with us..."
von Marwitz