Dummy stack and Ambush dr

[waltu]

A woods or building location contains an enemy infantry unit. An unconcealed unit advances into the location. Is it allowed to also advance a dummy stack (which according to the Index is a unit) into that location in order to claim the Ambush drm for having a concealed unit? I would think so, but wanted to check. Thx.

 

[Robin Reeve]

A11.19 states that "Dummy units are automatically removed prior to attack designation in CC because they cannot reveal a Strength Factor. ".
I don't think that a dummy unit remains until the Ambush dr is made.

 

[Robin Reeve]

ASOP confirms my answer :
8.11B Place onboard beneath a "?" all hidden items, then reveal Strength Factors of all concealed units (eliminating Dummies) (A11.19)
8.12B Resolve Ambush if advance into CC (not Melee) was into woods/building/jungle/bamboo/kunai (A11.4; G.6) and/or by/vs "?" (automatic ATTACKER Ambush for Street Fighting; A11.8) {night Ambush dr; E1.77}

 

[waltu]

Ah, that's a good catch (actually two catches). Glad I asked the question. Thank you.

 

[Eagle4ty]

ASOP confirms my answer :
8.11B Place onboard beneath a "?" all hidden items, then reveal Strength Factors of all concealed units (eliminating Dummies) (A11.19)
8.12B Resolve Ambush if advance into CC (not Melee) was into woods/building/jungle/bamboo/kunai (A11.4; G.6) and/or by/vs "?" (automatic ATTACKER Ambush for Street Fighting; A11.8) {night Ambush dr; E1.77}

Also A11.19 "Even though concealed, a unit in CC must reveal its Strength Factor prior to both sides' declaration of CC attacks in that Location. Dummy units are automatically removed prior to attack designation in CC because they cannot reveal a Strength Factor." Since the ATTACKER declares his CC attacks first he would have to reveal a Dummy stack prior to gaining any knowledge of a concealed DEFENDER's units thus avoiding that sleaze. In essence the DEFENDER could maintain a Dummy stack in the Location in such a circumstance.

 

[von Marwitz]

If you keep 'em coming you'll eventually arrive at Catch 22...

von Marwitz

 

[klasmalmstrom]

All dummy stacks are removed prior to any attack declarations - per the ASOP.

 

[waltu]

Thanks all. There are a lot of nuances to this game. The more games you play, the more things you learn.

 

[Larry]

The attacker advances into two or more locations. Advance phase concludes. One location contains dummies.

Does the defender remove the dummies once the CC phase starts or wait until the attacker chooses to resolve that location?

 

[klasmalmstrom]

The attacker advances into two or more locations. Advance phase concludes. One location contains dummies.

Does the defender remove the dummies once the CC phase starts or wait until the attacker chooses to resolve that location?

Per the ASOP, one Location is fully resolved (including removing dummies) before the next one is.

Perform all Steps listed under “... LOCATION’S CCPh” in any one CC/Melee Location first, then in the next such Location, etc.

 

[Stewart]

All dummy stacks are removed prior to any attack declarations - per the ASOP.

Do you declare attacks before Ambush?

 

[tommyl]

Do you declare attacks before Ambush?

No, but Dummies are eliminated in step 8.11 and Ambush isn't until step 8.12

 

[Stewart]

So the "prior to declaration of CC attacks in that location" is actually at the START of the CCPH for that location not after ambush activities etc.
The timing of the reveal isn't set in stone.

Just looking for clarification of the wording in the RB.
Thanks

 

[SSlunt]

I think that the rule book and the ASOP are very clear.