The Agony of Doom, comments and AARs requested

[Actionjick]

In the Today In ASL History thread ( which unfounded rumors suggest will be nominated for a Pulitzer Prize in Literature for Historical Game Research) I posted that Fish and I had played that scenario twice one day and had given the Germans the balance both times.

Eagle4ty replied that he was amazed we had given the Germans the balance as the scenario was rated pro German 75% to 80% of the time. My response was that we typically only used balance when both wanted the same side not because we considered a scenario unbalanced. After looking at my SL version I responded that the scenario didn't seem that unbalanced and that I would play the Russians anytime.

I'd like to hear other players opinion of this scenario.

 

[Eagle4ty]

The gun on the Bd 3 hill, Tiger holds the Bd 5 road; fill in the flesh & sinews with '45 German w/PF (have to do some thinking on how to allocate the 'scripties), it's almost game over before the Jadg-Panthers arrive. Best bet for the Russkies is to bust through with infantry on the Bd 5 side before committing much armor to the fight IMHO. (OOPS! I may not be an "other"!) ?

 

[Actionjick]

The gun on the Bd 3 hill, Tiger holds the Bd 5 road fill in the flesh & sinews with '45 German w/PF (have to do some thinking on how to allocate the 'scripties), it's almost game over before the Jadg-Panthers arrive. Best bet for the Russkies is to bust through with infantry on the Bd 5 side before committing much armor to the fight IMHO. (OOPS! I may not be an "other"!) ?

You'll always be an " other " in my book and your thoughts and opinions are always valued in the eyes of Captain Bacchus and myself. ???

It does seem as if the Russians don't have time to copulate the canine.?

Definitely a scenario for an aggressive attacker. Possibly why we both wanted the Russians.

 

[von Marwitz]

In the Today In ASL History thread ( which unfounded rumors suggest will be nominated for a Pulitzer Prize in Literature for Historical Game Research) I posted that Fish and I had played that scenario twice one day and had given the Germans the balance both times.

Eagle4ty replied that he was amazed we had given the Germans the balance as the scenario was rated pro German 75% to 80% of the time. My response was that we typically only used balance when both wanted the same side not because we considered a scenario unbalanced. After looking at my SL version I responded that the scenario didn't seem that unbalanced and that I would play the Russians anytime.

I'd like to hear other players opinion of this scenario.

You can use the following query with google to search GS:

site:gamesquad.com aar "agony of doom"

Here is something (which I have not further reviewed):

VASL tutorials for newbies

You can play the scenarios that you can download from the VASL website. Just download them then, unzip them into your VASL folder. From the main window select load then the scenario number that you wish to play this will load the board(s) (and any needed overlays) and all of the counters that...

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So what scenarios have you played Recently?

I've been thinking of playing Final Glory. Did you like it? I did like it. I think it can be tough on the Russians because the Germans can reach a stone wall on the 1st turn that will allow several vehicles to be HD and have good LOS across the board. If the Germans can get some of their...

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von Marwitz

 

[Actionjick]

You can use the following query with google to search GS:

site:gamesquad.com aar "agony of doom"

Here is something (which I have not further reviewed):

VASL tutorials for newbies

You can play the scenarios that you can download from the VASL website. Just download them then, unzip them into your VASL folder. From the main window select load then the scenario number that you wish to play this will load the board(s) (and any needed overlays) and all of the counters that...

www.gamesquad.com

So what scenarios have you played Recently?

I've been thinking of playing Final Glory. Did you like it? I did like it. I think it can be tough on the Russians because the Germans can reach a stone wall on the 1st turn that will allow several vehicles to be HD and have good LOS across the board. If the Germans can get some of their...

www.gamesquad.com

More can be found in the ASL Scenario Archive (I think you have to log in):

ASL Scenario Archive

www.aslscenarioarchive.com

von Marwitz

Thanks for the input. Have you played this scenario?

 

[von Marwitz]

Thanks for the input. Have you played this scenario?

No.

von Marwitz

 

[buser333]

I agree with Tom (Eagle4ty). Unless the Russians get extremely lucky, this should pretty much be a walkover for the Germans.
I have played it from both sides.

I do agree with your use of balance being used in situations where each opponent wants the same side.

 

[Actionjick]

No.

von Marwitz

Maybe you and Thunderchief could play it next July 28th!??

 

[Actionjick]

I agree with Tom (Eagle4ty). Unless the Russians get extremely lucky, this should pretty much be a walkover for the Germans.
I have played it from both sides.

I do agree with your use of balance being used in situations where each opponent wants the same side.

The Russians are at a disadvantage but do have some assets on their side. They can't be too cautious, IMO, and need to close in quickly. Some nice units for both sides.

I don't want to imply we never considered a scenario unbalanced. As playtesters it was always a factor to be given a lot of attention. One of the notes I came across specifically mentioned how tough Fort McGregor was for the British.

 

[Old Noob]

Played this once at Enfilade. As Russians. Damn Panzerschreck!

 

[bendizoid]

The original is a “Agony of Doom” for the Russians, 90% pro Axis.

 

[Actionjick]

The original is a “Agony of Doom” for the Russians, 90% pro Axis.

Bob the question is would you play it as the Russians? ???

I can't be the only whacko, besides Fish, who wanted to play this as the Russians. ??

 

[Actionjick]

Bob the question is would you play it as the Russians? ???

I can't be the only whacko, besides Fish, who wanted to play this ad the Russians. ??

Sometimes you should play a scenario that is crazy unbalanced, take the side the balance doesn't favor and see what you can do. Wtf are you playing the game for if not to challenge yourself? If you lose you can either cop out and say nobody wins as the whoever or say at least I had the cojones to try as the whoever. Set it up again, I'll take the whoever again and give you the balance!!

You may lose again but gain major elan points and be smiled upon by the Grofaz.

 

[bendizoid]

Sometimes you should play a scenario that is crazy unbalanced, take the side the balance doesn't favor and see what you can do. Wtf are you playing the game for if not to challenge yourself? If you lose you can either cop out and say nobody wins as the or say at least I had the cojones to try. Set it up again, I'll take the [/B] and give you the balance!!

You may lose again but gain major elan points and be smiled upon by the Grofaz. ??????

I did play it, more than once and won as the Russian last time.

 

[Actionjick]

Damn you are fast! Was in the middle of editing when you replied. Captain Bacchus was nudging my elbow.

I knew this scenario could be won with the correct attitude and the right mixture of skill and agression. Well done!!????

 

[Actionjick]

I did play it, more than once and won as the Russian last time.

????

 

[Actionjick]

The Agony of Doom
August 12th, 1981
Germans = Marc Silling
Russians = Darryl
Turn 4B
Darryl wins

Marc was the person who introduced me to Squad Leader

 

[Actionjick]

The Agony of Doom
August 12th, 1981
Germans = Marc Silling
Russians = Darryl
Turn 4B
Darryl wins

Marc was the person who introduced me to Squad Leader

Doctor Marc worked at the University of Akron and was in charge of administering the SATs. He hired me to be a proctor where I would check IDs, pass out the materials, whatever was needed. When the students were taking their test we would retreat to the back of the auditorium and play SL! Don't know if the dice rolling distracted the test takers or not. Just another Saturday morning spent playing SL, but getting paid to do it.?

 

[Fort]

I've only played this once. Was the Russians and won. I don't remember much about it, except that lots of death all around.

 

[Actionjick]

I've only played this once. Was the Russians and won. I don't remember much about it, except that lots of death all around.

It seems that's what has to happen for the Russians to win. Back then I would occasionally write fairly extensive AARs. Glancing over it that appears to be the case. Quick and bloody.