Advance into a location for CC and are broken by your own OBA

[JoeArthur]

Hi,

Not sure we played this right so any help appreciated please.

I advance a Russian squad into a building hex to CC a German officer. The building is under fire from my Russian OBA. The Russian squad is attacked as it has moved into the OBA and fails its morale check (despite having +5 cover ).

Do we roll for ambush in the CC? A11.4 reads like you do roll. Presumably I have to take the CC as the rout phase has been and gone. Do I have to attempt to withdraw? A11.16 reads like they have to withdraw.

What is the correct way of playing this situation please? Did we get it right? It is not a situation that happens very often..................

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Yes, you still roll for Ambush, but no you can't declare a Withdrawal attempt - that can only be done when there's a Melee.

 

[JoeArthur]

Thanks once again Klas

 

[Tuomo]

Them boys musta been carrying some hateful grudge against that German officer.

 

[dwardzala]

They were Russian after all.

 

[Actionjick]

Hi,

Not sure we played this right so any help appreciated please.

I advance a Russian squad into a building hex to CC a German officer. The building is under fire from my Russian OBA. The Russian squad is attacked as it has moved into the OBA and fails its morale check (despite having +5 cover ).

Do we roll for ambush in the CC? A11.4 reads like you do roll. Presumably I have to take the CC as the rout phase has been and gone. Do I have to attempt to withdraw? A11.16 reads like they have to withdraw.

What is the correct way of playing this situation please? Did we get it right? It is not a situation that happens very often..................

Joe I hope you responded to the how many scenarios do you play a year poll since it appears you play lots more than most who responded. Well done you and your opponents!!!?

 

[JoeArthur]

Them boys musta been carrying some hateful grudge against that German officer.

He was in a victory condition hex and they wanted to make an example of him

 

[WuWei]

Also be aware that units have their morale lowered by one while within the blast area of a friendly FFE (C1.54).

 

[von Marwitz]

He was in a victory condition hex and they wanted to make an example of him

Instead, the German officer - in the finest Prussian tradition - made an example of his would-be attackers by making a heroic stand while under heavy artillery fire by holding the key position all by himself. A recommendation for an Iron Cross might be in order.

von Marwitz

 

[jimfer]

Russians often had to remember Commissars had their backs.... move along boys I'm right behind you..its just artillery. Click.....

 

[Eagle4ty]

Playing Jeff DeYoung in Beaufort's Feast (SP186) a while back I had to make an assault with French troops into & thru a building with my own arty falling in/around it to secure a VC. Off the top of my head I can't remember the OBA caliber but it was a desperation move for sure. Sometimes it just pays to be lucky (and desperate enough to be junkyard dog crazy).

 

[Stewart]

Yes, you still roll for Ambush, but no you can't declare a Withdrawal attempt - that can only be done when there's a Melee.

If teh broken unit ambushes...can he withdraw from CC? Any Infantry (unless pinned/berserk/ Disrupted) that is part of a force which has qualified for Ambush has the option to decline CC altogether, prior to CC resolution

LOL I guess so...

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Yes, even TI units can Withdraw, IIRC.

 

[Eagle4ty]

Yes, even TI units can Withdraw, IIRC.

That would certainly be a stretch to have it interpreted that way as TI isn't removed until the end of the CCPh (after Step 8.45B ASOP) and not the end of a CC (Step 8.24 for Withdrawal from Melee or after Step 8.31B for the end os a Location's CC).

 

[Tuomo]

That would certainly be a stretch to have it interpreted that way as TI isn't removed until the end of the CCPh (after Step 8.45B ASOP) and not the end of a CC (Step 8.24 for Withdrawal from Melee or after Step 8.31B for the end os a Location's CC).

Agreed, but that's not what the rule says - it doesn't mention TI in the CC section at all.

Think a Perry Sez should clear it up, though, cuz it sure seems like TI should be like Pin here.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Already been asked before:
A4.8 & A11.2
May a TI unit withdraw?
A. Yes.

..a TI leader can also voluntary rout:
A4.8 & A10.711 Can a TI Leader Voluntary
Rout?
A. Yes. [Letter267]

 

[Stewart]

Already been asked before:
A4.8 & A11.2
May a TI unit withdraw?
A. Yes.

..a TI leader can also voluntary rout:
A4.8 & A10.711 Can a TI Leader Voluntary
Rout?
A. Yes. [Letter267]

Yet a pinned leader may not rout.
I guess TI is based on TASK vs actually getting shot at and "pinned" down.

 

[Eagle4ty]

I guess it comes down to a choice of words and proper rules annotations for the Q&A. I would have guessed A11.22 Infiltration (which is also called withdrawal within the rule itself and not to be confused with the actual Withdrawal from Melee A11.2) is what the Q&A addressed. In as much as I cannot envision a situation where a unit already in Melee is able to become TI, I believe the rules annotation in the Q&A for A11.2 is perhaps in error and do not see a reference to A11.41 Ambush Withdrawal at all only A11.2, a different situation entirely and therefore not covered by the Q&A.

 

[Stewart]

Yeah TI for CC doesn't seem to be easily done.
Only sniper check, but you'd be desperate to do that.

 

[von Marwitz]

Already been asked before:
A4.8 & A11.2
May a TI unit withdraw?
A. Yes.

..a TI leader can also voluntary rout:
A4.8 & A10.711 Can a TI Leader Voluntary
Rout?
A. Yes. [Letter267]

Learned something new!

Thanks for the insight, Klas.

Cheers,
von Marwitz