Red Factories Homebrew - I survived Stalingrad and all I got was this lousy LP

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Not sure their available in VASL with the combined draft copies of RB & RO maps as of yet, Same with the gutted buildings TtBoMK.
 

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I must have missed something, because I'm not sure what specifically that would change. Now I'm gonna read all the campaign rules over again...
It is not in the campaign rules. The overlays are for the differences that were discovered between the 1st edition and 2nd edition RB maps. There are a few buildings that have changed. As Eagle mentioned; they may not be available in VASL yet.
 

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October 17th, 1942
Day 1, Part 6


The story so far:

Several squads give up the fight through some poor rallies, while the Russians experience difficulties getting some of their support weapons to function. An attack versus some deadly 5-4-8 squads knocks them both out of action, forcing them to retreat. More men are shuffled over to the western edge of the combat area. A hero emerges in the manufacturing hall, and helps attack the fascists in the debris fields northwest of his position. Two Russian squads are eliminated when they were caught by German troops on the ground floor of I6, the German berserk'ed squad survives an onslaught of fire and bides its time. Later on, the men on the 2nd floor of I6 rushes the Germans below and wipes them out in close combat. Further south, a Russian squad falls to the enemy.


Losses
Germans [Lost 11 CVP]
Rifle Company A (2 squads - 4 CVP) + 8-0(x1 - 1 CVP)
Rifle Company B (2 squads - 4 CVP)
Sturm Company A (1 squad - 2 CVP)
Panzer III Ausf H Platoon A (1 Vehicle - 4 CVP)


Russians [Lost 18 CVP]
Militia Company A (5 squads - 10 CVP) + LMG(x1) + ATR(x1)
Militia Company B (1 squad - 2 CVP)
Rifle Company A (2 squads - 4 CVP) + MMG(x1)
SMG Company A (3 squads - 4 CVP)
AT Gun Crew(x1 - 2 CVP)


Victory Conditions
Germans control 3 of 15 Stone Locations required to win.


Special Units
Softnum [Russian Leader] 7-0


State of the board at the end of Part 6




State of MAP control at the end of Part 6 [Colourized]






What actually happened that day? (According to Stalingrad Battle Atlas, Vol II - by Anton Joly)

Weather: Partly Cloudy, Cold.

Germans capture the southern portion (completing their control) of the Red Barricades factory. 300 to 400 prisoners were captured, as well as equipment. A directive by Hitler instructs the Army to begin preparations for a defensive line in the coming months.

Since September 13 (the beginning of the offensive on Stalingrad), the Germans report that they have captured 18000 prisoners, destroyed or immobilized 233 tanks, and captured or destroyed 302 guns. Another 5600 prisoners, 616 tanks destroyed, and 87 guns destroyed/captured further north of the city. 670 enemy planes were shot down over Stalingrad, with AA artillery and ground troops claiming an additional 88 planes.

German losses so far have been 2500 dead, 10300 wounded, and 300 missing. Numbers for planes and tanks are not present.

German losses for October 16th, 1942 in Stalingrad are reported as: 299 wounded, 61 killed, 21 missing.



---Do keep in mind that these numbers are not complete, as some data was lost in the intervening years, and accurate counts are difficult to ascertain in the best of conditions. The nature of the fighting at Stalingrad also made it hard for the Russians, especially, to keep accurate numbers on losses. That, or they are not yet documented and have not been mentioned in the Atlas for this particular day.
 
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Day 1, Part 6


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Germans capture the southern portion (completing their control) of the Red Barricades factory. 300 to 400 prisoners were captured, as well as equipment. A directive by Hitler instructs the Army to begin preparations for a defensive line in the coming months.
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I think you mean the Tractor Factory & brick yard areas to the north of the Red Barricades. In no manner was the capture of the Red Barricades Factories complete on the 17th of October.
--- Situational Report of Sixth Army's LI Army Corps, 17 October 1942 and Soviet General Staff's Daily Operational Summary, 17 October 1942.
  • Provided in JOURNAL OF SLAVIC STUDIES, The Struggle For Stalingrad City: Opposing Orders Of Battle, Combat Orders and Reports, and Operational and Tactical Maps. Part 2: The Fight for Stalingrad's Factory District 14 October-18 November 1942. COL David M. Glantz
 

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I think you mean the Tractor Factory & brick yard areas to the north of the Red Barricades. In no manner was the capture of the Red Barricades Factories complete on the 17th of October.
--- Situational Report of Sixth Army's LI Army Corps, 17 October 1942 and Soviet General Staff's Daily Operational Summary, 17 October 1942.
  • Provided in JOURNAL OF SLAVIC STUDIES, The Struggle For Stalingrad City: Opposing Orders Of Battle, Combat Orders and Reports, and Operational and Tactical Maps. Part 2: The Fight for Stalingrad's Factory District 14 October-18 November 1942. COL David M. Glantz
Not sure what to tell you, it's a direct quote from the "Final Daily Summary of the Army", page 88 of Stalingrad Battle Atlas Vol.II by Anton Joly.

Edit: Could be that Anton Joly mistranslated, or the Army was confused about its positions.
 

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When I say this reply in the morning, I stared into empty space for a solid minute before loudly cursing.

Completely forgot about calculating for inherent crew in the VP.
LOL. Solo play is twice the work.
 

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October 17th, 1942
Day 1, Part 7


The story so far:

The Germans lose a heavy weapons crew through attrition, before another round of attacks is brought to bear against the Soviets. This is followed up with a failed attempt at placing a demolition charge on a fortified building, as well as plenty of other movement in order to gain ground. Notably, the berserk'ed half squad manages to finish its charge across the streets and finds themselves in a position to immediately fire upon some broken men; it will not be the last of these reckless actions, from either side. Movement in the west is stalled by a pair of powerful attacks from a lone squad, ending all movement and protecting some friendly units from elimination, all in one go! The turn ends with a casualty in close combat fighting, while another rages on for at least one more turn.


Losses
Germans [Lost 19 CVP]
Rifle Company A (2 squads - 4 CVP) + 8-0(x1 - 1 CVP)
Rifle Company B (3 squads - 6 CVP)
Sturm Company A (1 squad - 2 CVP)
HW Platoon A (1 crew - 2 CVP)
Panzer III Ausf H Platoon A (1 Vehicle - 4 CVP)


Russians [Lost 26 CVP]
Militia Company A (5 squads - 10 CVP) + LMG(x1) + ATR(x1)
Militia Company B (1 squad - 2 CVP)
Rifle Company A (3 squads - 6 CVP) + MMG(x1)
SMG Company A (3 squads - 6 CVP)
AT Gun Crew(x1 - 2 CVP)


Victory Conditions
Germans control 7 of 15 Stone Locations required to win.


Special Units
Softnum [Russian Leader] 7-0


State of the board at the end of Part 7




State of MAP control at the end of Part 7 [Colourized]






What actually happened that day? (According to Stalingrad Battle Atlas, Vol II - by Anton Joly)

Weather: Partly Cloudy, Cold.

Germans capture the southern portion (completing their control) of the Red Barricades factory. 300 to 400 prisoners were captured, as well as equipment. A directive by Hitler instructs the Army to begin preparations for a defensive line in the coming months.

Since September 13 (the beginning of the offensive on Stalingrad), the Germans report that they have captured 18000 prisoners, destroyed or immobilized 233 tanks, and captured or destroyed 302 guns. Another 5600 prisoners, 616 tanks destroyed, and 87 guns destroyed/captured further north of the city. 670 enemy planes were shot down over Stalingrad, with AA artillery and ground troops claiming an additional 88 planes.

German losses so far have been 2500 dead, 10300 wounded, and 300 missing. Numbers for planes and tanks are not present.

German losses for October 16th, 1942 in Stalingrad are reported as: 299 wounded, 61 killed, 21 missing.



---Do keep in mind that these numbers are not complete, as some data was lost in the intervening years, and accurate counts are difficult to ascertain in the best of conditions. The nature of the fighting at Stalingrad also made it hard for the Russians, especially, to keep accurate numbers on losses. That, or they are not yet documented and have not been mentioned in the Atlas for this particular day.
 

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From looking at the map it seems the Germans control 9 stone locations (3x rubble and 6x building) Don't forget to count the cellars in the building. You also have not added the dead crew of the PzIII to the casualties.
 

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From looking at the map it seems the Germans control 9 stone locations (3x rubble and 6x building) Don't forget to count the cellars in the building. You also have not added the dead crew of the PzIII to the casualties.
Full disclosure: All of day 1 is taken from posts made on another forum, as I'm about half-way through day 2 at the moment. I forgot about counting cellars 'cause I hadn't used any prior, and I didn't have any depth, and didn't want to sacrifice any squads to cellars just yet.

That being said, thanks for pointing it out, it serves as a nice reminder for where I'm at currently, which I think I've been counting stone locations properly now. :)
 

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Day 1, Part 8


The story so far:

As the turn switches over to the Russians, the Germans are immediately pushed away from the stone rubble hex in J5, the now-dm'ed Half Squad being forced to rout later on. Some less than stellar rolls, and a bad LOS attack on my part, mean that the Russian heavy machine guns provide little to no support. An attempted maneuver to encircle a broken squad goes awry, as well as a move into open ground which does more than simply casualty reduce a squad. Through a series of attacks, the Half Squad guarding the reinforced building in I6 breaks, forcing a change in strategy by the Russians. Will they surrender the location, or send troops through a hail of bullets for the now-important location? All while close combat continues , and more begin!


Losses
Germans [Lost 21 CVP]
Rifle Company A (2 squads - 4 CVP) + 8-0(x1 - 1 CVP)
Rifle Company B (3 squads - 6 CVP)
Sturm Company A (2 squad - 4 CVP)
HW Platoon A (1 crew - 2 CVP)
Panzer III Ausf H Platoon A (1 Vehicle - 4 CVP)


Russians [Lost 32 CVP]
Militia Company A (6 squads - 12 CVP) + LMG(x1) + ATR(x1)
Militia Company B (2 squad - 4 CVP) + MTR(x1)
Rifle Company A (4 squads - 8 CVP) + MMG(x1)
SMG Company A (3 squads - 6 CVP)
AT Gun Crew(x1 - 2 CVP)


Victory Conditions
Germans control 7 of 15 Stone Locations required to win.


Special Units
Softnum [Russian Leader] 7-0
Unnamed Russian Hero


State of the board at the end of Part 8




State of MAP control at the end of Part 8 [Colourized]






What actually happened that day? (According to Stalingrad Battle Atlas, Vol II - by Anton Joly)

Weather: Partly Cloudy, Cold.

Germans capture the southern portion (completing their control) of the Red Barricades factory. 300 to 400 prisoners were captured, as well as equipment. A directive by Hitler instructs the Army to begin preparations for a defensive line in the coming months.

Since September 13 (the beginning of the offensive on Stalingrad), the Germans report that they have captured 18000 prisoners, destroyed or immobilized 233 tanks, and captured or destroyed 302 guns. Another 5600 prisoners, 616 tanks destroyed, and 87 guns destroyed/captured further north of the city. 670 enemy planes were shot down over Stalingrad, with AA artillery and ground troops claiming an additional 88 planes.

German losses so far have been 2500 dead, 10300 wounded, and 300 missing. Numbers for planes and tanks are not present.

German losses for October 16th, 1942 in Stalingrad are reported as: 299 wounded, 61 killed, 21 missing.



---Do keep in mind that these numbers are not complete, as some data was lost in the intervening years, and accurate counts are difficult to ascertain in the best of conditions. The nature of the fighting at Stalingrad also made it hard for the Russians, especially, to keep accurate numbers on losses. That, or they are not yet documented and have not been mentioned in the Atlas for this particular day.
 

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Day 1, Part 9

The story so far:

German artillery continues to fall on Russian positions, but the results prove to be less than desirable for the attackers. Tons of ammunition is expended in an attempt to suppress any defenders, but, in due part to the highly favorable terrain for the defenders, the Axis troops continue to have a hard time gaining any ground. Notably, several German squads are beaten back as they attempt to rush into the fortified building in hex grid I6. All the while, tanks cautiously creep up to support the infantry in any way they can, yet it is still not enough to overcome the Bolsheviks. A poorly placed demolition charge fails to dislodge the Russian defenders in C11. Despite all this, the Russians are forced to cede ground when broken units rout away from objective locations, and the Germans greedily advance forward.


Losses
Germans [Lost 21 CVP]
Rifle Company A (2 squads - 4 CVP) + 8-0(x1 - 1 CVP)
Rifle Company B (3 squads - 6 CVP)
Sturm Company A (2 squad - 4 CVP)
HW Platoon A (1 crew - 2 CVP)
Panzer III Ausf H Platoon A (1 Vehicle - 4 CVP)


Russians [Lost 32 CVP]
Militia Company A (6 squads - 12 CVP) + LMG(x1) + ATR(x1)
Militia Company B (2 squad - 4 CVP) + MTR(x1)
Rifle Company A (4 squads - 8 CVP) + MMG(x1)
SMG Company A (3 squads - 6 CVP)
AT Gun Crew(x1 - 2 CVP)


Victory Conditions
Germans control 9 of 15 Stone Locations required to win.


Special Units
Softnum [Russian Leader] 7-0
Unnamed Russian Hero


State of the board at the end of Part 9




State of MAP control at the end of Part 9 [Colourized]





What actually happened that day? (According to Stalingrad Battle Atlas, Vol II - by Anton Joly)

Weather: Partly Cloudy, Cold.

Germans capture the southern portion (completing their control) of the Red Barricades factory. 300 to 400 prisoners were captured, as well as equipment. A directive by Hitler instructs the Army to begin preparations for a defensive line in the coming months.

Since September 13 (the beginning of the offensive on Stalingrad), the Germans report that they have captured 18000 prisoners, destroyed or immobilized 233 tanks, and captured or destroyed 302 guns. Another 5600 prisoners, 616 tanks destroyed, and 87 guns destroyed/captured further north of the city. 670 enemy planes were shot down over Stalingrad, with AA artillery and ground troops claiming an additional 88 planes.

German losses so far have been 2500 dead, 10300 wounded, and 300 missing. Numbers for planes and tanks are not present.

German losses for October 16th, 1942 in Stalingrad are reported as: 299 wounded, 61 killed, 21 missing.



---Do keep in mind that these numbers are not complete, as some data was lost in the intervening years, and accurate counts are difficult to ascertain in the best of conditions. The nature of the fighting at Stalingrad also made it hard for the Russians, especially, to keep accurate numbers on losses. That, or they are not yet documented and have not been mentioned in the Atlas for this particular day.
 

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Day 1, Part 10


The story so far:

A German mortar can't be repaired and has to be discarded, while the Russians manage to clear their jammed Heavy Machine Gun, but it doesn't do all that much. More fire is sent towards German squads making their way to I6, as well as the small foothold the krauts have in C11, but the results are left to be desired. A Russian squad comes under fire in I6 while transitioning between floors and breaks, thanks to some lucky dice, which in turn forces the Russians to send yet another squad into the building to prevent its fall. Otherwise, movement is kept to a smaller portion of the map, as any advances would surely place the Russians under more fire, and the risk is simply not worth it. As movement starts to die down, a Panzer III gets a hit on the Russians holed up in I8 that devastates the entire group. Rumour has it that they must have gotten a perfect shot, with the resulting blast killing a squad leader as he was giving orders to some conscripts. It also claimed the squad of conscripts, as well as a unlucky half squad in the adjacent room. What was once a strong point for defense had suddenly been reduced to a pile of corpses, and the handful of survivors. A 1st line squad on the western side of the frontline perished during return fire from a pair of German squads. The Russians reinforce an on-going close quarters combat, but a stalemate in the debris continues. [The Germans get at least 3 snake eyes this turn]


Losses
Germans [Lost 21 CVP]
Rifle Company A (2 squads - 4 CVP) + 8-0(x1 - 1 CVP)
Rifle Company B (3 squads - 6 CVP) + MTR(x1)
Sturm Company A (2 squad - 4 CVP)
HW Platoon A (1 crew - 2 CVP)
Panzer III Ausf H Platoon A (1 Vehicle - 4 CVP)


Russians [Lost 40 CVP]
Militia Company A (8 squads - 14 CVP) + 8-1(x1 - 2 CVP) + LMG(x1) + ATR(x1)
Militia Company B (2 squads - 4 CVP) + MTR(x1)
Rifle Company A (4 squads - 8 CVP) + MMG(x1)
Rifle Company B (1 squad - 2 CVP)
SMG Company A (4 squads - 8 CVP)
AT Gun Crew(x1 - 2 CVP)


Victory Conditions
Germans control 9 of 15 Stone Locations required to win.


Special Units
Softnum [Russian Leader] 7-0
Petachiok [Russian Leader] 9-2
Unnamed Russian Hero


State of the board at the end of Part 10




State of MAP control at the end of Part 10 [Colourized]





What actually happened that day? (According to Stalingrad Battle Atlas, Vol II - by Anton Joly)

Weather: Partly Cloudy, Cold.

Germans capture the southern portion (completing their control) of the Red Barricades factory. 300 to 400 prisoners were captured, as well as equipment. A directive by Hitler instructs the Army to begin preparations for a defensive line in the coming months.

Since September 13 (the beginning of the offensive on Stalingrad), the Germans report that they have captured 18000 prisoners, destroyed or immobilized 233 tanks, and captured or destroyed 302 guns. Another 5600 prisoners, 616 tanks destroyed, and 87 guns destroyed/captured further north of the city. 670 enemy planes were shot down over Stalingrad, with AA artillery and ground troops claiming an additional 88 planes.

German losses so far have been 2500 dead, 10300 wounded, and 300 missing. Numbers for planes and tanks are not present.

German losses for October 16th, 1942 in Stalingrad are reported as: 299 wounded, 61 killed, 21 missing.



---Do keep in mind that these numbers are not complete, as some data was lost in the intervening years, and accurate counts are difficult to ascertain in the best of conditions. The nature of the fighting at Stalingrad also made it hard for the Russians, especially, to keep accurate numbers on losses. That, or they are not yet documented and have not been mentioned in the Atlas for this particular day.
 
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Hi

I get the idea of this but the allocation of forces is a mystery.

Losses are nearly non existent to normal RB ( at least 20%)

Is this a fictitious beginning to this game as I have never seen anything like it.
 

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Hi

I get the idea of this but the allocation of forces is a mystery.

Losses are nearly non existent to normal RB ( at least 20%)

Is this a fictitious beginning to this game as I have never seen anything like it.
Uhh, I don't think I understand what you mean by allocation of forces, and there have been losses on both sides, about 65 CVP total.


Also, the people who've played against me in real life (Hello Ottawa group) know I play strangely and get diced in "great" ways, haha.

I've been recording footage of my vassal play and might start posting it once Day 2 rolls around
 

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Day 1, Part 11


The story so far:

A sudden gust of wind occurs, but the effects are minimal thanks to a low amount of smoke being active around the the map. More artillery falls on Russian positions, but no damage is noted from the German side. As the Hitlerites prepare to move, fire rains down on several positions, breaking the morale of several Russian squads. Taking a huge risk, a German officer authorizes the men to shoot into the melee in E10, breaking the Russians, while only forcing the Germans to hunker down. Several German squads advance, but the western side sees another setback when several moves into the building at B11 breaks under intense pressure from the adjacent building. Yet another squad is gunned down in the streets along the D hexline. Soon after, a second squad is wiped out while attempting to make their way into the I6 building. After all is said and done, a pair of squads infiltrate the fortified location in I6, and the melee in E10 comes to a bloody end.


Losses
Germans [Lost 27 CVP]
Rifle Company A (3 squads - 6 CVP) + 8-0(x1 - 1 CVP)
Rifle Company B (4 squads - 8 CVP) + MTR(x1)
Sturm Company A (3 squads - 6 CVP)
HW Platoon A (1 crew - 2 CVP)
Panzer III Ausf H Platoon A (1 Vehicle - 4 CVP)


Russians [Lost 48 CVP]
Militia Company A (8 squads - 16 CVP) + 8-1(x1 - 2 CVP) + LMG(x1) + ATR(x1)
Militia Company B (3 squads - 6 CVP) + MTR(x1)
Rifle Company A (5 squads - 10 CVP) + MMG(x1)
Rifle Company B (2 squads - 4 CVP)
SMG Company A (4 squads - 8 CVP)
AT Gun Crew(x1 - 2 CVP)


Victory Conditions
Germans control 11 of 15 Stone Locations required to win.


Special Units
Softnum [Russian Leader] 7-0
Petachiok [Russian Leader] 9-2
Unnamed Russian Hero


State of the board at the end of Part 11




State of MAP control at the end of Part 11 [Colourized]





What actually happened that day? (According to Stalingrad Battle Atlas, Vol II - by Anton Joly)

Weather: Partly Cloudy, Cold.

Germans capture the southern portion (completing their control) of the Red Barricades factory. 300 to 400 prisoners were captured, as well as equipment. A directive by Hitler instructs the Army to begin preparations for a defensive line in the coming months.

Since September 13 (the beginning of the offensive on Stalingrad), the Germans report that they have captured 18000 prisoners, destroyed or immobilized 233 tanks, and captured or destroyed 302 guns. Another 5600 prisoners, 616 tanks destroyed, and 87 guns destroyed/captured further north of the city. 670 enemy planes were shot down over Stalingrad, with AA artillery and ground troops claiming an additional 88 planes.

German losses so far have been 2500 dead, 10300 wounded, and 300 missing. Numbers for planes and tanks are not present.

German losses for October 16th, 1942 in Stalingrad are reported as: 299 wounded, 61 killed, 21 missing.



---Do keep in mind that these numbers are not complete, as some data was lost in the intervening years, and accurate counts are difficult to ascertain in the best of conditions. The nature of the fighting at Stalingrad also made it hard for the Russians, especially, to keep accurate numbers on losses. That, or they are not yet documented and have not been mentioned in the Atlas for this particular day.
 

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Where are the roadblocks and AT ditches?
There's a roadblock on the right and some wire on the left, but mainly I only purchased trenches to try and connect houses together for ease of travel. The loss of so many Russians early didn't help, and I'll have to see how many CPP I get at the end of the day before I can even think of getting more FPP. Right now it's looking like it'll all get earmarked for more men.
 
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