Simon62
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hi all,
I am not clear on the loss of concealment rules in relation to CC.
We have the following situation:
An unconcealed British unit is in a stone building two hexes from a stack of German units currently out of site of the British units as they are at a lower level, the hex between the two stacks is an open ground hex and the same level as the stone building.
The German player lays smoke in prep fire from a tank into the open ground hex and in the movement phase the German units assault move into the hex (open ground - 1, plus one for smoke - 2, doubled for uphill -4, movement allowance 6 as leader present so assault movement is allowed) bringing them adjacent to the German units in the building. Due to rule A10.531 (open ground) our understanding is that the German unit does not loose concealment for this assault move due to the smoke.
The British defensive fire at the German unit in the open ground hex in the smoke but fail to achieve a result on the IFT so again the German unit keeps its concealment.
In the advance phase the German units advance into the stone building with the British unit and enter in CC - my questions here are:
3B) German unit ambushes the British unit and attacks first as sequential CC, loses concealment after the attack and the British player if still in GO attacks back with no concealment modifier
3C) British unit ambushes German unit and attacks first as sequential CC - British unit keeps concealment as it has not yet attacked and only looses it the British score a result in CC or it then attacks if it survives the ambush attack.
Apologies for the questions but keep reading the rules and can't clarify the position in our eyes especially to 3A above. Any insight would be appreciated
I am not clear on the loss of concealment rules in relation to CC.
We have the following situation:
An unconcealed British unit is in a stone building two hexes from a stack of German units currently out of site of the British units as they are at a lower level, the hex between the two stacks is an open ground hex and the same level as the stone building.
The German player lays smoke in prep fire from a tank into the open ground hex and in the movement phase the German units assault move into the hex (open ground - 1, plus one for smoke - 2, doubled for uphill -4, movement allowance 6 as leader present so assault movement is allowed) bringing them adjacent to the German units in the building. Due to rule A10.531 (open ground) our understanding is that the German unit does not loose concealment for this assault move due to the smoke.
The British defensive fire at the German unit in the open ground hex in the smoke but fail to achieve a result on the IFT so again the German unit keeps its concealment.
In the advance phase the German units advance into the stone building with the British unit and enter in CC - my questions here are:
- Are we correct in our belief that the German unit does not loos concealment when it assault moves into the open ground hex covered with smoke?
- does the advance into the stone building from the smoke filled hex strip concealment - again as per rule A10.531 & A12.14 we don't think it does but not sure?
- Rule A12.14 also states that concealment is lost if a unit attacks in CC, the CC table indicates a 1/2x modifier to the attacker if defender concealed in CC - what is the position re concealment loss in the following CC situations:
3B) German unit ambushes the British unit and attacks first as sequential CC, loses concealment after the attack and the British player if still in GO attacks back with no concealment modifier
3C) British unit ambushes German unit and attacks first as sequential CC - British unit keeps concealment as it has not yet attacked and only looses it the British score a result in CC or it then attacks if it survives the ambush attack.
Apologies for the questions but keep reading the rules and can't clarify the position in our eyes especially to 3A above. Any insight would be appreciated