Snoohiewoofer and a 12

[klasmalmstrom]

...If the sN fails its usage number, can the vehicle immediately use another CC weapon in this sequential attack (like it could use another ammo type if it didn't have special ammo), or is its sequential attack done and the enemy player now gets to make an attack?

I am thinking no, since per A11.622 if the IFT DR of the sN is > Usage Number there "is no effect":
"No To Hit DR is necessary, but if the Original IFT DR is > its Usage Number there is no effect (see D13.34). "

So it does not say explicitly that the attack did not occur.

 

[von Marwitz]

CC with vehicles is sequential and attacks alternate. If the sN fails its usage number, can the vehicle immediately use another CC weapon in this sequential attack (like it could use another ammo type if it didn't have special ammo), or is its sequential attack done and the enemy player now gets to make an attack?

JR

Excellent question!

von Marwitz

 

[von Marwitz]

I am thinking no, since per A11.622 if the IFT DR of the sN is > Usage Number there "is no effect":
"No To Hit DR is necessary, but if the Original IFT DR is > its Usage Number there is no effect (see D13.34). "

So it does not say explicitly that the attack did not occur.

That would be my thinking, too.

von Marwitz

 

[Justiciar]

Got it now. Thanks.

 

[Tuomo]

I've always thought it was a sad oversight that Snoogiewoofers couldn't malf. I mean, c'mon. I know they were German-made, but everything malfs once in a while. And hey, we'd need a new counter for that.

 

[Justiciar]

I've always thought it was a sad oversight that Snoogiewoofers couldn't malf. I mean, c'mon. I know they were German-made, but everything malfs once in a while. And hey, we'd need a new counter for that.

Interesting article on its design and inner workings ...

http://www.oocities.org/desertfox1891/NahVtdgW/artnahvtdgw-description.html

 

[Robin Reeve]

I've always thought it was a sad oversight that Snoogiewoofers couldn't malf. I mean, c'mon. I know they were German-made, but everything malfs once in a while. And hey, we'd need a new counter for that.

You could extend your comment to the other smoke dispensers.

 

[ctewks]

I am thinking no, since per A11.622 if the IFT DR of the sN is > Usage Number there "is no effect":
"No To Hit DR is necessary, but if the Original IFT DR is > its Usage Number there is no effect (see D13.34). "

So it does not say explicitly that the attack did not occur.

So in turn, the 12 could allow the infantry to withdraw them and there?

 

[klasmalmstrom]

So in turn, the 12 could allow the infantry to withdraw them and there?

My opinion is no, since I think it is an IFT DR, not a CC DR.

 

[von Marwitz]

My opinion is no, since I think it is an IFT DR, not a CC DR.

I would tend to the opposite as this IFT DR occurs in the context of CC.

von Marwitz

 

[Hemaelstrom]

I would tend to the opposite as this IFT DR occurs in the context of CC.

von Marwitz

See post #10 for evidence to the contrary

 

[Gordon]

Interesting article on its design and inner workings ...

http://www.oocities.org/desertfox1891/NahVtdgW/artnahvtdgw-description.html

Back to the idea that the thing is OP in game. It's a grenade, not a howitzer.

 

[Carln0130]

Well, you would fire a Gun on a DR of 12. So there is good reason to argue the same for a sN.

von Marwitz

That's a joke. It is a usage number, roll over it and nothing happens.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

It is a usage number, roll over it and nothing happens.

That is at least true when attempting to place Smoke during the MPh - it is less clear (IMO) when making a HE attack during the CCPh. The rules then say "there is no effect" - not that the attack did not happen and the vehicle gets to make another attack before possibly being attacked itself again. Could be worth a Q&A I guess.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

I would tend to the opposite as this IFT DR occurs in the context of CC.

IMO it occurs in the context of the CCPh - not in the context of CC. Plus I don't think my units should be able to Withdraw just because my vehicle rolls 12 on a sN DR.

 

[Carln0130]

That is at least true when attempting to place Smoke during the MPh - it is less clear (IMO) when making a HE attack during the CCPh. The rules then say "there is no effect" - not that the attack did not happen and the vehicle gets to make another attack before possibly being attacked itself again. Could be worth a Q&A I guess.

I see the two as essentially the same since there is no weapon I can think of that you can attack twice with in the CC phase. In keeping with the spirit of COWTRA, they do not allow multiple SN DR in the CC phase, so one and done. Should the condition occur again in another CC phase, you could always try again.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

I see the two as essentially the same since there is no weapon I can think of that you can attack twice with in the CC phase. In keeping with the spirit of COWTRA, they do not allow multiple SN DR in the CC phase, so one and done. Should the condition occur again in another CC phase, you could always try again.

When I wrote "make another attack" I was referring to an CC attack with e.g., the CMG/AAMG - not the sN again.

 

[Carln0130]

When I wrote "make another attack" I was referring to an CC attack with e.g., the CMG/AAMG - not the sN again.

Yup, that makes sense.