Motion Fire Status Questions

[RaphaelC]

Hello All,

Having finally got around to playing our first scenario with AFVs on both sides (Ad Hoc at Beurains) we are struggling to understand Motion Fire Status Vehicles.

So, it is the German MPh, and a Pz38(t) has just spent 3 MP moving in LOS, but not within the TCA, of a Matilda II which is currently in Motion.

The Matilda wishes to fire.

The Grey Chapter Divider (Note 4) says that for DFF case C4 is applicable.

Does this mean that the only portion of C4 which is relevant here is the doubling of the lower dr, and it then uses Case J and J1 as DFF?

Or does it also apply Cases B, C and C2, as if it were firing in its own MPh?

Also, to change the TCA, does it also just apply Case A?

Or, must it first attempt Motion Status to be able to freely turn its turret (D2.401)?

Or perhaps some other combination of cases entirely?

Apologies for such basic questions!

Regards,

Raphael

 

[jrv]

C4 implies C, which implies B. If the unit is not currently in its MPh, Case A will also apply to any CA change. If the unit is currently in its MPh, Case A does not apply but the vehicle must change its CA as part of movement.

In general Motion fire is a "hail Mary" unless there are some redeeming DRM (such as FFMO & FFNAM or large target size). Motion fire at a moving tank is extra hard.

If the Matilda did not have the Pz38 in LOS at the start of the MPh, it could try for a Motion attempt. Since it is already in Motion, that state would not change of course, but it could change CA, which would at least wash Case A away.

Your DRM will be +4 Case B&C, double lower dr (effectively a DRM in the range 1-6), BU if applicable, +2 Moving target, +1 Small target, +1 limited time (only 3 MP) in LOS (case J1). The minimum effective DRM is +9 right now. If you wait until the German spends > 3 MP in your LOS, your minimum effective DRM drops to +8.

C1/2 are not applicable for the Matilda. It is only applicable for Bounding First Fire, i.e. during the friendly MPh. A defender uses cases J1 & J2 instead. It might apply to the Pz38.

JR

 

[Brian W]

In general Motion fire is a "hail Mary" unless there are some redeeming DRM (such as FFMO & FFNAM or large target size).

A Matilda II has little to fear from a Pz38(t). The best Final TK# that isn't an underbelly hit or CH would be 3 for a point blank rear shot. So, a Matilda in Motion has as much chance of breaking its MA as it does of hitting the Pz38(t). Don't do it unless you absolutely have to to win the scenario.

Also, the other big game changer that JR didn't mention are Gyrostabilizers, which a Matilda does not have but the US tanks sometimes do.

 

[jrv]

Also, the other big game changer that JR didn't mention are Gyrostabilizers, which a Matilda does not have but the US tanks sometimes do.

Yes, there's nothing like tasty roast lamb in a pita with tzatziki sauce in the middle of an ASL game.

JR

 

[Jeffrey D Myers]

Especially if playing "Heart of Athena" as the Greek partisans.

 

[jrv]

Especially if playing "Heart of Athena" as the Greek partisans.

Some hasty research revealed that the default in Greece is pork or chicken, not lamb. Who knew?

JR

 

[Brian W]

Never post hungry.

 

[RaphaelC]

C4 implies C, which implies B. If the unit is not currently in its MPh, Case A will also apply to any CA change. If the unit is currently in its MPh, Case A does not apply but the vehicle must change its CA as part of movement.

In general Motion fire is a "hail Mary" unless there are some redeeming DRM (such as FFMO & FFNAM or large target size). Motion fire at a moving tank is extra hard.

If the Matilda did not have the Pz38 in LOS at the start of the MPh, it could try for a Motion attempt. Since it is already in Motion, that state would not change of course, but it could change CA, which would at least wash Case A away.

Your DRM will be +4 Case B&C, double lower dr (effectively a DRM in the range 1-6), BU if applicable, +2 Moving target, +1 Small target, +1 limited time (only 3 MP) in LOS (case J1). The minimum effective DRM is +9 right now. If you wait until the German spends > 3 MP in your LOS, your minimum effective DRM drops to +8.

C1/2 are not applicable for the Matilda. It is only applicable for Bounding First Fire, i.e. during the friendly MPh. A defender uses cases J1 & J2 instead. It might apply to the Pz38.

JR

Very Much Obliged,

I can't see why I was at all confused now.

Raphael

 

[RaphaelC]

A Matilda II has little to fear from a Pz38(t). The best Final TK# that isn't an underbelly hit or CH would be 3 for a point blank rear shot. So, a Matilda in Motion has as much chance of breaking its MA as it does of hitting the Pz38(t). Don't do it unless you absolutely have to to win the scenario.

Also, the other big game changer that JR didn't mention are Gyrostabilizers, which a Matilda does not have but the US tanks sometimes do.

Hello Brian,

The Matilda II has little to fear (although two have already been lost to CHs). It is trying to stop the Pz38(t) from getting past and attacking the weaker, slower Matilda Is.

Raphael