Precision Dice Required in Tournaments

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Check with Chris at Battle School. I think you can ask for a specific set of dice so no need to buy in pairs. Battle School is excellent to deal with...
Steve

http://asl-battleschool.blogspot.com/p/backgammon-dice.html
Not too sure these are actual precision dice as the graphics on the dice could imbalance the dr, imperceptibly to the average minds comprehension perhaps, but only those with the original dots would be acceptable in the norm. If forced to used precision dice I would NEVER accept a dr/DR with those marked with extra information put on them (and never with a left handed throw).;)
 

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Not too sure these are actual precision dice as the graphics on the dice could imbalance the dr, imperceptibly to the average minds comprehension perhaps, but only those with the original dots would be acceptable in the norm. If forced to used precision dice I would NEVER accept a dr/DR with those marked with extra information put on them (and never with a left handed throw).;)
Here's more info on BattleSchool regarding how their PRECISION dice are made
https://asl-battleschool.blogspot.com/2011/06/what-precisely-are-precision-dice.html

What's wrong with left-handed throws? South Paws are going to rule the world.
 

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I have original ASL dice and ASLSK dice.

I have tested them using a Chi-test numerous times and they appear reasonable to use.

Be interested to see if balanced dice could do better though.
 

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I have chi-tested Battleschool dice and MMP dice and found the former were more balanced. But so what, I basically don't care what dice people use as long as I can read them, they are not super tiny or super huge, the "white" die is clearly distinguishable from the other, and they are not so round they take forever to stop rolling in someone's dice cup.
 

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If I could get precision dice in the same sizes and colors as the original dice from AH/MMP ( think this would be 11mm red, white, blue, black, green, purple), but this selection doesn't seem to exist. I simply like the look of the plain, smaller dice.
 

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If I could get precision dice in the same sizes and colors as the original dice from AH/MMP ( think this would be 11mm red, white, blue, black, green, purple), but this selection doesn't seem to exist. I simply like the look of the plain, smaller dice.
You can get these small precision dice individually from BattleSchool .. please see my pic


 

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Do you have some certification of the balance of your dice?
Here's the point. Precision is relative not absolute and no one can prove a claim to the greater precision of their own dice nor substantiate an accusation of lesser precision of someone else's dice. So bringing it up is a shit way to begin a four to eight hour sit down with someone you've just met. Play on.
 

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Those are nice, and for the record I do own a few precision dice, but I’ve played for years with no issues with the dice from the original SL and the four in BV with no problems (even in the games when your dice go south on you). I just get annoyed when a player gets nuts that the dice or dicebot lost the game for them. Randomness is part of the game that makes ASL so exciting as crazy things do happen both good and bad. If Grofaz prize was $10,000, sure use precision dice. But it’s not and the skilled player knows how to recover from a few bad rolls and enjoys the game. I understand your concern as tournament director providing the psychological even playing field. My comments are more player to player. And others have commented up stream, if you want to use tricks and gimmicks to win, go for it but I play to have fun and enjoy the game and that will be my last scenario with that person.

And for the record, my wife always beats me in backgammon no matter what dice we use!

$15 will get it done as long as you go in with a friend and get two pairs...
Steve

https://usbgf.org/product/ball-cornered-precision-backgammon-dice/
 

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If you don't care what dice people use, I suggest you place Al Saltzman with his little blue die. Enjoy. -- jim
 

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I haven’t actually got a game in with Al Yet but look forward to it. Is it like the little blue pill?!
If you don't care what dice people use, I suggest you place Al Saltzman with his little blue die. Enjoy. -- jim
 

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I haven’t actually got a game in with Al Yet but look forward to it. Is it like the little blue pill?!
Let's just say you shouldn't be surprised if he gets a LOT of rate. -- jim
 

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yeah no problems finding 19mm cut corner dice but the 1/2 ones are basically non existent now. I’ve had no issues with them chipping but I don’t roll them in a glass.
The reason the 1/2" ones are hard to find is that there is virtually no demand for them. Square dice are usually 19mm, and used for craps. (They are designed to be thrown the length of the craps table, and must bounce off the rear wall for the roll to be valid. Square dice have a greater surface area than their ball-cornered cousins, which helps them "brake" on the table and come to rest quicker.) Craps dice are unsuited to other games because they don't roll well. You won't see them in use at a backgammon tournament. Ball-cornered are better for ASL, regardless of whether they are rolled in a glass or dropped down a dice tower.
 

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Won't the serial numbers and monograms on those casino dice make them unbalanced? ;)
Probably makes the 1 and 2 faces light. Think the casino minds that the 1 or 2 face comes up more often than any other face? I don't. -- jim

Hint: 2 and 3 are bad in Craps.
 

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Probably makes the 1 and 2 faces light. Think the casino minds that the 1 or 2 face comes up more often than any other face? I don't. -- jim

Hint: 2 and 3 are bad in Craps.
Why would the ace and deuce faces be lighter than the rest? If the foil weighs anything of significance, wouldn't you expect them to favour the opposing faces?

For example, the serial number on the six-spot could be seen to add extra weight that would favour the ace when rolled. However, the monograms on the other faces presumably would "favour" the five- and six-spots. In fact, the effect of the foil is infinitesimal. Oil residue from your skin on one or more faces probably has about the same impact on balance as the foil does, namely statistically insignificant.

It's certainly possible that some casinos deliberately "load" their dice by applying monograms and serial numbers. But there are easier and more effect ways to load dice than with foil monograms. Virtually every casino checks other aspects of dice for balance.

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Loaded dice are bad for a casino. Their edge is when the dice are totally fair.
 

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Why would the ace and deuce faces be lighter than the rest? If the foil weighs anything of significance, wouldn't you expect them to favour the opposing faces?
Is the foil the same density as the plastic? Is the foil the same weight as the plastic? Does the embossing process remove plastic? If the foil is the same weight, but a different density, it has shifted the center of gravity. If the center of gravity is affected, it will shift towards the heavier face. In this instance, it will shift towards the 5,6 faces as the foil is on the 1,2 face. The center of gravity will do all it can when tossed to get the closest it possibly can to rest on the bottom, favoring a 1 or a 2 on the face-up side. Rolling the dice into water will slow the fall and allow for this effect to be more pronounced and easily noted.

For example, the serial number on the six-spot could be seen to add extra weight that would favour the ace when rolled. However, the monograms on the other faces presumably would "favour" the five- and six-spots. In fact, the effect of the foil is infinitesimal. Oil residue from your skin on one or more faces probably has about the same impact on balance as the foil does, namely statistically insignificant.
Oil and residue from my skin is way more likely to be evenly distributed as I handle the dice. And yes, the effect is likely pretty small, but those small edges have made billions in Vegas and other places.

As I said above, I don't use precision dice (or dice with only pips) for you, I do it for me. -- jim
 
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