Guadalcanal OOB?

[Ike]

Anyone have the OOB for the ground forces of both the United States and Japan that fought on Guadalcanal?

[JMS]

Anyone have the OOB for the ground forces of both the United States and Japan that fought on Guadalcanal?

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/PTO/Hell/index.html

[Ike]

Anyone got any other info or sites? Those sites are fine for the U.S. OOB. That info is pretty easy to find. The Japanese OOB is the B*tch to get info on.

[Panzer-War]

I may be able to dig up a few units for japan side ill look and see what i can find as well i did have a toe for a USMC bn maybe i could dig that up as well if you need it.

[Ike]

Thank you very much, I would be grateful. Ike

[pmaidhof]

Ike,

I am currently reading Guadalcanal The Definitive Account of the Landmark Battle by Richard B. Frank (Random House, Inc. 1990) and I recommend it highly. Since the Japanese, and Americans for that matter, were reinforcing continually throughout the campaign, are you looking for the entire campaign August 1942 - February 1943 or the OOB as per a specific date/month?

Did you know the author claims that last known straggler surrendered in October 1947?

[Ike]

Yes Im building a scenario titled "Turning point, Quadalcanal." and would like the entire OOB. Div,Rgt&Btn. If that book has it I would like to have you send it. This is an outline of what I have so far on their OOB's. Also I didnt know the last Japanese surrendered on Guadalcanal in 1947. I did hear a story where some Japanese guys surrendered in the Phillipines in the 70's! Their former C.O. was brought in from Japan to speak and get them to surrender.

U.S. Initial forces

1/1Marines
1/2/2Marines
2/2/2Marines
3/2/2Marines
5/1Marines
11/1Marine Art
1LVT
1Eng
1Pio
1SW
1Tank
1RDR
1Para
3DB

Sept Reinforcements
7/2Marines
1/11/1Marine Art

Oct Reinforcements
1/147
2/147
164 Inf
1/10/2 Marine Art
3/10/2Marine Art
8/2 Marines
2RDR

Nov Reinforcements
3/147INF
1/182INF
2/182INF
2/10/2Marine Art
244ART
246ART
21Recon


Japanese Initial Forces
11CU
13CU
Yokosuka5
2/4
1/124
2/28
2AT
81GDD

Jap Sept Reinforcements
1/4
3/4
1/16
2/16
1/28
2/29
2/124
3/124
1/228
2/230
3/230
5MG
1TANK
2Art
6Art
9Art
3Lt Art
2Mt Art
20Mt Art
2 Eng
45AA
35Art

Jap October Reinforcements
3/16
1/29
3/29
2/228
3/228
10Mt Art
4-21Art
1/229
2/229
3/229
38Eng
38Trans
2Tank
1/230
39CU
1SE
2SE
3SE
2 Trans
Maizuru
38AA
47AA
38MT ART
7ART

[Panzer-War]

US forces

1-7+2-7+3-7Marines arrived with the rest of the 7th Marines on September 18th
5th Marines 1-5 2-5 3-5
1st Marines 1-1 2-1 3-1
2nd Marines 1-2 2-2 3-2
1, 2,and3rd Bn’s of 164th Infantry arived the morning of October 13
Marine air goupr 23 began ariveing August 20th F4f and SBD aircraft
5-11 marines pack 105mm howitzers

Japan forces

Kawaguchi Brigade
2-124reg 230th regiment
Sendai Division
29th +16th regiments

36th Inf bde
3rd Kure special landing force
28th Infantry
35th Inf bde landed August 31st
4th regiment

(I believe the 35th Inf bde is the Kawaguchi Brigade)

A Marine Bn had 6 60mm mortars 4 81mm mortars, 30 .30-caliber machine guns 24 heavy(water cooled) 6 light (air cooled). They also had a pair of .50-caliber machine guns. The Regiment had 3 anti-air platoons and 3 anti-tank platoons. The AA platoon had 5 .30-caliber (probly water cooled) and 2 .50-caliber Machine guns. The AT platoon had 4 37mm atg’s. Note that the marines did not have M1 Garands but Springfield bolt action rifles.

US Initial forces that I have found

USMC 1st Div

1st Marines
1-1Marines
2-1Marines
3-1Marines

2nd Marines
1-2 Marines
2-2 Marines
3-2 Marines

5th Marines
1-5 Marines
2-5 Marines
3-5 Marines

USMC 1st Raider Bn
USMC 1st Para Bn

Japan Initial forces that I have found

3rd Kure special landing force

Do you have a map done alrdy? What scale will the map be? What units scale are you planing on Company/Battalion/? I would be happy to work on the oob and toes for you in game if you like.
will you be useing standard equipment or a modefied one? I havent finishd reaserching but its getting quite late here.

[Ike]

Yes I do have a map but it is not entirely finished yet, I am still filling in the terrain features. Im using geography maps and drawings U.S.Marines made while there. The map scale is 2.5Km per hex. Really no other choice considering the entire island of Quadalcanal is only around140Km long. Unit scale will be Battalion/Company. I will be using standard equipment. I would like it very much if you would assist on the OOB's and TOE's. As far as how exactly I want to do the naval aspect of the campaign Im still racking my brain. The naval action was VERY important to the campaign as it had a paramount impact to what happened on the Island. COW models naval action weakly so it seems the Naval side of things will heavily rely on the event engine. Also on this issue is the Japanese reinforcements. Many Japanese units headed toward Guadalcanl but as we know never got there. Especially as they began to lose control of the waters and skies in the area This has to be modeled I think. Ike

[Panzer-War]

Perhaps you could set it up like this on the 1st 2 turns allied navy has naval dominance and there units are deployed on the map then night of August 8 Japanese fleet sinks three cruiser. You could either have it set to automatically withdraw the Allied fleet, or put in a theator option that the Allied player could either withdraw the fleet or risk keeping the fleet there. With further events set on a percentage chance that could cause bad things to the Allied fleet. If the Allied fleet is withdrawn maybe you could set Japan naval fleet to come in on the turns they did to bombard the Allied ground forces.
I think you should set the Japan ground forces that made it to automatically arrive when they did and the ones that didn’t make it you should put a percentage chance for them to arrive through events. Early on you could set the percentage chance high (60-80%) and as it gets worse for the Japanese set it lower and lower.
When I have more info ill get back to you.

[Panzer-War]

US forces

1-11 marines 75mm howitzer
2-11 marines 75mm howitzer
3-10 Marines supported the 2nd marines 75mm howitzer

navy

task force 61

support force

Saratoga CV-3
Enterprise CV-6
Wasp CV-7
North Carolina BB-55
6 Cruisers 16 destroyers
(Ive found another source that says the support force had 8 cruisers)

covering force
5 Cruisers 9 destroyers

Japan forces

Navy

(8th fleet oob for 14 July 1942)
8th fleet

CL Chokai
CL Tsugaru

18 squadron

CL Tenryu
CL Tatsuta

30 Destroyer division

DD Mutsuki
DD Yayoi
DD Mochizuki
DD Uzuki

If you dont need any naval info let me know

[Ike]

This is a couple Units I have, criticism is WELCOME!! :-) as I would like to get it as close to historical as possible for us. Comments or Corrections anyone??

1st Bn/1st Rgt (Formation, 1st Marine Division)
27 Rifle Squads
4 Rifle AT- Squads
4 Engineer Squads
2 SMG Squads
4 Jeeps
30 Medium MG
8 Heavy MG
6 60mm Mortors
4 81mm Mortors
2 75mm Howitzers
2 37mm Anti Tank Guns
2 Ferry Bridging Teams
8 Trucks

1st Bn/11th Rgt(Formation, 1st Marine Division)
18 75mm Howitzers
6 Light Rifle Squads
4 SMG Squads
3 Jeeps
6 Ferry Bridging Teams
12 Halftracks
12 Trucks

[Panzer-War]

I would remove the ferry bridgeing teams,75mm howitzers,smg squad, and the trucks I dont think they had many if any trucks as they were left behind along with a 155mm howitzer bn for the 11th Marines
for the artiller bn keep the 18 75mm howitzers,6 light rifle squads and drop every thing else.

this is a toe i made for the marine bn's

27 Heavy rifle squads 12man squad with maybe 1smg and 3 bars
35 medium MG
2 Jeep
6 60mm mortar
4 81mm mortar
4 37mm atg
4 heavy mg

Note I gave each bn one AA platoon and one AT platoon.
do you know if the marines had bazzokas at the begining of the operation or did they arive later.I also believe I have found a complete oob for the marine forces if you need it ill post it.

[Ike]

I think you are 100% right on the 27 Rifle Squads being Heavy Rifle Squads. Looking at some sources the Marine Infantry were packing heavy. Sure man, if you have the OOB's for the Marines post it. I have 1 for the 1st Marine Div, but not the 2nd Div.

Also the entire Japanese 38th Division served on Quadalcanal. If anyone has an OOB for this Japanese Division it would be most helpful or even just the Regiments in it. Ike

[Panzer-War]

US forces

Initial forces

USMC 1st Marine Division HQ (7 Aug 42 – 8 Dec 42)

1st Amphibian tractor Bn
1st Engineer Bn (7 Aug 42 – 8 Dec 42)
1st Marine Para Bn (7 Aug 42 – 18 Sep 42)
1st Pioneer Bn (7 Aug 42 – 22 Dec 42)
1st Service Bn (7 Aug 42 – 22 Dec 42)
1st Special Weapons Bn (7 Aug 42 – 22 Dec 42)
1st Tank Bn Forward Echelon (7 Aug 42 – 22 Dec 42)

1st Marines (7 Aug 42 – 22 Dec 42)
1-1 Marines
1-2 Marines
1-3 Marines

2nd Marines (7 Aug 42 – 31 Jan 43)
1-2 Marines
2-2 Marines
3-2 Marines

5th Marines (7 Aug 42 – 9 Dec 42)
1-5 Marines
2-5 Marines
3-5 Marines

11th Marines (7 Aug 42 – 22 Dec 42)
1-11 Marines 75mm howitzer
2-11 Marines 75mm howitzer
5-11 Marines 105mm howitzer

3rd Defense Bn (7 Aug 42 – 8 Feb 43)
2nd Special Weapons Bn (7 Aug 42 – 8 Feb 43)
3-10 Marines 75mm howitzer (7 Aug 42 – 8 Feb 43)

Reinforcements September 42

1st Aviation Engineer Bn (18 Sep 42 – 8 Feb 43)

7th Marines (18 Sep 42 – 5 Jan 43)
1-7 Marines
2-7 Marines
3-7 Marines
5th Defense Bn Detachment A (8 Sep 42 – 8 Feb 43) Redesignated 14th Defense Bn,15th Jan 43

Reinforcements October 42

Reinforcements November 42

2nd Raider Bn (4 Nov 42 – 17 Dec 42)
9th Defense Bn (30 Nov 42 – 8 Feb 43)

8th Marines (2 Nov 42 – 8 Feb 43)
1-8 Marines
2-8 Marines
3-8 Marines

1-10 Marines (4 Nov 42 – 8 Feb 43)

Reinforcements January 43

USMC 2nd Marine Division HQ (4 Jan 43 – 8 Feb 43)

6th Marines (4 Jan 43 – 8 Feb 43)
1-6 Marines
2-6 Marines
3-6 Marines

2-10 Marines (4 Jan 43 – 8 Feb 43)
2nd Aviation Engineer Bn (30 Jan 43 – 8 Feb 43)
11th Defense Bn (17 Jan 43 – 8 Feb 43)

[Panzer-War]

Marine Air Units
1st Marine Aircraft Wing, Headquarters Detachment (3Sep42-8Feb43)
CG MajGen Roy S. Geiger
CofS BriGen Louis B. Woods
W-1 LtCol Perry O. Parmelee (to 20Nov)
Capt James G. Hopper (21Nov-20Dec)
LtCol Thomas G. Ennis (from 21Dec)
W-2 LtCol John C. Munn
W-3 Col Lawson H.M. Sanderson (to 31Dec)
Col Christian F. Schilt (from 1Jan)
W-4 Col Christian F. Schilt (to 31Dec)
LtCol Albert D. Cooley (from 1Jan)
HqSn-1 Capt Herman J. Jesse
2nd Marine Aircraft Wing, Forward Echelon (26Dec42-8Feb43)
CG BriGen Francis P. Mulcahy
CofS Col Walter G. Farrell
W-1 2dLt Robert E. Coddington
W-2 LtCol Elmer H. Salxman
W-3 LtCol Joe A. Smoak (to 29Jan)
LtCol William C. Lemly (from 30Jan)
W-4 LtCol Franklin G. Cowie
HqSn-2 Maj William K. Snyder
Marine Aircraft Group 14 (16Oct42-8Feb43)
CO LtCol Albert D. Cooley (to 17Dec)
Col William O. Brice
HqSn-14 Capt Claude J. Carson, Jr. (to 17Nov)
Capt Stanley M. Adams (from 18Nov)
SMS-14 Maj Arthur R. Stacey
Marine Aircraft Group 23 (20Aug42-4Nov42)
CO Col William J. Wallace
HqSn-23 MG Harland W. Bond (to 24Oct)
LtCol Charles L. File (from 25Oct)
SMS-23 2dLt Joseph A. Pawloski
Marine Aircraft Group 25, Advance Detachments (3Sep42-8Feb43)
CO LtCol Perry K. Smith
HqSn-25 Maj Leonard W. Ashwell (to 17Nov)
Capt Dave J. Woodward, Jr. (from 18Nov)
SMS-25 Maj Leonard W. Ashwell (to 23Dec)
Capt Ralph R. Yeaman (from 24Dec)
Marine Fighter Squadron 112 (2Nov42-8Feb43)
CO Maj Paul J. Fontana (to 31Dec)
2dLt Alexander A. Case (1-6Jan)
Maj Paul J. Fontana (from 7Jan)
Marine Fighter Squadron 121 (2Oct42-28Jan43)
CO Maj Leonard K. Davis (WIA 11Nov, to 16Dec)
MG William F. Wilson (17-31Dec)
Maj Donald K. Yost (from 1Jan)
Marine Fighter Squadron 122 (12Nov42-8Feb43)
CO Capt Nathan T. Post, Jr. (to 21Nov)
Capt James R. Anderson (22Nov-10Dec)
2dLt John F. Tenvole (11-23Dec)
Maj Elmer E. Brackett, Jr. (24-29Dec)
Capt Nathan T. Post, Jr. (30Dec-11Jan)
Maj Elmer E. Brackett, Jr. (from 12Jan)
Marine Fighter Squadron 123, Flight Echelon (3Feb43-8Feb43)
CO Maj Edward W. Johnston
Marine Fighter Squadron 124, Flight Echelon (3Feb43-8Feb43)
CO Maj William E. Gise
Marine Scout-Bomber Squadron 131 (11Nov42-8Feb43)
CO LtCol Paul Moret (to 20Nov)
Capt Jens C. Aggerbeck, Jr. (from 21Nov)
Marine Scout-Bomber Squadron 132 (1Nov42-19Jan43)
CO Maj Joseph Sailer, Jr. (KIA 7Dec)
Maj Louis B. Robertshaw (from 7Dec)
Marine Scout-Bomber Squadron 141 (23Sep42-17Jan43)
CO Maj Gordon A. Bell (KIA 14Oct)
1stLt Wortham S. Ashcroft (from 14Oct, KIA 8Nov)
1stLt Robert M. Patterson (8-11Nov)
2dLt Walter R. Bartosh (12-17Nov)
Maj George A. Sarles (18Nov-16Dec)
Capt Claude A. Carlson, Jr. (from 17Dec)
Marine Scout-Bomber Squadron 142 (12Nov42-8Feb43)
CO Maj Robert H. Richard
Marine Scout-Bomber Squadron 144, Flight Echelon (5Feb43-8Feb43)
CO Capt Roscoe N. Nelson
Marine Utility Squadron 152, Flight Echelon (21OCt42-8Feb43)
CO Maj Elmore W. Seeds
Marine Photographic Squadron, Flight Echelon (10Nov42-8Feb43)
CO LtCol Elliot E. Bard
Marine Fighter Squadron 212, Flight Echelon (17Aug42-21Nov42)
CO LtCol Harold W. Bauer (KIA 14Nov)
Maj Frederick R. Payne, Jr. (from 14Nov)
Marine Fighter Squadron 223 (20Aug42-16Oct42)
CO Maj John L. Smith
Marine Fighter Squadron 224 (30Aug42-2Nov42)
CO Maj Robert E. Galer
Marine Scout-Bomber Squadron 231, Flight Echelon (30Aug42-14Nov42)
CO Maj Leo R. Smith (to 18Sep)
Capt Ruben Iden (from 19Sep, KIA 20Sep)
Capt Elmer G. Glidden, Jr. (from 20Sep)
Marine Scout-Bomber Squadron 232 (20Aug42-2Nov42)
CO LtCol Richard C. Mangrum
Marine Scout-Bomber Squadron 233 (25Dec42-8Feb43)
CO Maj Clyde T. Mattison (to 19Jan)
Capt Elmer L. Gilbert (from 20Jan)
Marine Scout-Bomber Squadron 234, Flight Echelon (28Jan43-8Feb43)
CO Maj William D. Roberson
Marine Observation Squadron 251 (19Aug42-8Feb43)
CO LtCol John N. Nart (to 29Oct)
LtCol Charles H. Hayes (30Oct-30Nov)
Capt Ralph R. Yeaman (1-7Dec)
Maj William R. Campbell (8-10Dec)
Maj Joseph N. Renner (from 11Dec)
Marine Utility Squadron 253 (3Sep42-8Feb43)
CO Maj Harold A. Johnson (to 11Oct)
Maj Henry C. Lane (from 12Oct)

[Ike]

The 3rd Kure SNLF Parachute Rgt. Landed on Tulagi,Gavutu and Tanambogo May 3rd. The majority being on Tulagi where they began constructing a seaplane base. They put up fierce resistance to the Marines for 2 days before being overwhelmed. Meanwhile the 5th Yokosuka SNLF was on Quadalcanal 20 miles away.

Im very glad to have found this info as I didnt know the Units that were defending Tulagi or when they arrived. :D

[Panzer-War]

note that I left the 3-11 4-11 out of that oob though they have them in it i have not found any mention of them yet. perhaps the were landed on the 8th or one of them arived with the 7th marines.

SNLF rifle company(1941)
headquarters
4 rifle platoons eace with
hq
3rifle squads each with
1- 6.5mm lmg
12- 6.5mm rifles
weapons sqaud
10- 6.5mm lmg
3- 50mm light mortars
hmg platoon
hq
4 hmg squads each with
2 hmg sections each with
1- 7.7mm hmg

could be an infantry gun company as well with 70mm howitzers or 75mm field guns. possibly in later years, 37mm or 47mm atgs.(for the parent unit of the companys maybe 4-6 guns)

[Panzer-War]

US forces

132nd Regiment(arrived Dec 8)
1-132
2-132
3-132

Japan forces

17th Army

2nd Division(Sendai Division)
4th Inf reg
16th Inf reg
29th Inf reg
2nd FA reg
2nd Eng reg

38th Division
228th Inf reg
229th Inf reg(one Bn detached to N Guinea)
230th Inf reg

18th Division
35th Inf Brig, detached
124th Inf Regt, detached

7th Division
28th Inf Regt, detached
7th Engr Regt, detached

[Ike]

Wow, some great info on identifying the Japanese Divisions, where did you find the info?

[Panzer-War]

I just happend to come across this site I cant gaurntee the accuracy of the site but it dose give a lot of information on Japanese units. the only thing I have a question about is the 230 regiment witch i thought was in the 35th Bde. the 2nd divisons apear's to be correct since anothers source match's up with it. there is more info there on ships and planes.
www.friesian.com/history/guadal.htm
also I by chance came across a board game for guadalcanal. and found oob's for the board game I thought maybe it could be usefull if it appears to be acurate. As you have stated the jappanese oob is hard to get. here are some images that i have found for it.

[JapLance]

Any news about this scenario?. Has it been released?.

[Crazy Dutch]

This is a couple Units I have, criticism is WELCOME!! :-) as I would like to get it as close to historical as possible for us. Comments or Corrections anyone??

1st Bn/11th Rgt(Formation, 1st Marine Division)
18 75mm Howitzers
6 Light Rifle Squads
4 SMG Squads
3 Jeeps
6 Ferry Bridging Teams
12 Halftracks
12 Trucks

Each Divisional US Marine and Army Artillery Bn had in World War II only 12 tubes

[piero1971]

does the Japaneese even stand a chance in any land battle in Guadalcanal?

when I play flat-top, the naval battle is very challenging for both sides.

in tOAW I wonder what victory conditions you'll put to make the game not too much one-sided.?

keep up the work, I look forward to see the scenario finished!

[Panzer-War]

As far as I know he has not released it. The last I heard from him it sounded like he was close to a play test version or in that phase. Though I don’t know if he is still working on it as I last heard from him in late August of last year. I hope that he is still working on it as this is one I would like to see done.

[Ike]

Im still working on this scenario on and off. More off than on in the last several months but now Im on. I will have beta version wrapped up and posted within a month for some feed back hopefully. :cool: