OOB for U.S.

[Bdr.Mallette]

Hello,

while searching for OOBs for the Korean War,
I came across a good site for U.S. army OOBs a nd lotsa other schtuff. It would be very useful for Sceario designing.
Gives pretty in-depth numbers.
Has OOBs from the Revolutionary war till present, I think.
I didn't really search for others, just Korean.

Take a look, it's pretty decent.

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/lineage/OH.htm

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/lineage/Unit-Info.htm


Bdr.Mallette

PS--> Any one know where to get factual OOBs for Korea???

Any help would be cool, I could use the one from TOAW2 and CoW, but....

[Wolfe Tone]

Hello,

while searching for OOBs for the Korean War,
I came across a good site for U.S. army OOBs a nd lotsa other schtuff. It would be very useful for Sceario designing.
Gives pretty in-depth numbers.
Has OOBs from the Revolutionary war till present, I think.
I didn't really search for others, just Korean.

Take a look, it's pretty decent.

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/lineage/OH.htm

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/lineage/Unit-Info.htm


Bdr.Mallette

PS--> Any one know where to get factual OOBs for Korea???

Any help would be cool, I could use the one from TOAW2 and CoW, but....

BDR:

Can you give us a broad outline of what your Korean War scenario will consist of, like time period/map?

I would be very interested in any ACOW Korean War scenario as I am sure many others would too.

[Bdr.Mallette]

hey,
how's it going?!

Korean war is a little iffy for me.
Some of my family on my Mother's side were there fighting.

What I am trying to design is a scenario about a battle at Kapyong.
It was a short and limited engagement but actually one of the more important battles fought in 1951.
After the Chinese had began an offensive in the spring of '51, the U.N. forces were forced to retreat (withdraw to a better position) quickly south. Hordes of Chinese were pouring south and finding plenty of gaps in the U.N. line.
At one point in the line, a valley north of Kapyong, 1 regiment and 1 battalion was all that stood between approximately 2 divisions of Chinese forces and the main body of the retreating U.N.(withdrawing for better positions,lol) forces. It was imperative that this valley be held long enough for the forces to regroup and position themselves East north east of Seoul. If this did not happen, Seoul would fall again, it would be inevitable.

The forces involved in this battle were:

east positions: The 3rd Royal Austrailian Regiment and parts of the 72nd U.S. Tank Battalion.
West position: 2 Bn of the P.P.C.L.I. (Princess Patricia's Canadian light Infantry).
South: Middlesex Regiment and the 16th NZ field Regiment.

The southern position was there for arty support if needed and for a fall back position for the 3rd RAR. It did not play a part in this battle.

The Chinese launched themselves at the Austrailians who put up a brave and deadly defense but were eventually forced to retreat back to the southern position. All that was stopping the Chinese now was a small Bn of highly trained, highly motivated Canucks.
The Chinese attacked the Battalion for 2 days and nights but couldn't break through and their offensive in this part of the theatre collapsed and they were forced to retreat.
If it were not for the Bravery of 2 commonwealth country's men against overwhelming odds, the Chinese could very well have taken Seoul again, earlier or worse yet, the retreating forces of the U.N. and U.S. would have taken great losses.
They were given the Presidential Citation for bravery and the battle honours of both the 3rd RAR and the 2nd P.P.C.L.I. reflect this significant battle. The U.S. 72nd Arty Regiment was also a big factor in this battle providing arty support and ferrying wounded soldiers from the withdrawing 3 RAR to the southern position. They made 14 trips back and forth carrying wounded and the dead.

Considering the numbers of enemy being thrown into the battle, the 2 commonwealth forces suffered VERY light Casualties. The 3 RAR suffered mid 50's dead and just over a hundred wounded and the 2 P.P.C.L.I. suffered 10 dead and 23 wounded. The Chinese suffered over 1000 dead, approximately and unknown wounded.
To say this was a victory is an understatement.
The Austrailian commander received commendations and his fighting withdrawal from their positions was textbook perfect.
The Canadian officers also received commendations and their organization and readiness were the main reason they held out for 2 days till the middlesex could breach the enemy lines to bring supplies(they were surrounded for 2 days during all assaults).

Canadian forces may be small, and we may not join many wars that the U.S. gets involved in, but every war we have been in, we have honoured ourselves and our country by doing a very good job, Dieppe not withstanding.(wasn't our planning and schtuff)

It will be a short PBEM scenario but should be an interesting one.

I was trying to find out compositions of Bn's and support equipment for the Allies as well as the chinese. I have rough figures right now.


Bdr.Mallette

[Case]

The forces involved in this battle were:

east positions: The 3rd Royal Austrailian Regiment

The Australian unit was actually the 3rd Battalion of the Royal Australian Regiment. Like Canada, Australia follows the British regimental system, and our infantry 'regiments' are associations of units rather then tactical formations.

I was trying to find out compositions of Bn's and support equipment for the Allies as well as the chinese. I have rough figures right now.

To help you in this task, I'd strongly recomend Gordan Rottman's excelent book 'Korean War Order of Battle'. While it doesn't have operational OOBs, it does list the compesition and organisation of all the units involved.

Basically, the Commonwealth infanty battalions were almost identical to the British infantry battalion circa 1945. The only important differences was that the 6 pounder AT guns had been replaced with 17 pounders, the PIATs with 3.5 inch bazookas, and that the Candians used American crew served weapons in the place of the British models (ie, the .303 Vickers MMG was replaced with the American .30 Browning MMG, the 2 inch mortar with the 60mm mortar and the 3 inch mortar with the 81mm mortar).

[Bdr.Mallette]

hello,

thanks for the corrections and answers.
I had a feeling they would be structured the same as a british infantry unit. Wasn't sure of weapons though. Makes sense the canucks would use U.S. weapons.

Thanks Man.

I've attached a map with which I am using for this scenario.

I'm thinking of doing another after.

"Sink(hunt) the Bismark"

Naval seems a bit difficult, but i've been testing and I may be able to get away with it. Lack of air Recon unit in equipment list sucks. Have to figure a way out of it.
Helicopters? in 1940? in the Atlantic and North Sea?
Use your imagination, they're planes, look closely....
:cool: