View Full Version : What kind of game would YOU like to see?
CPangracs
07 Jun 04, 12:22
What kind of game, using a modified ATF engine, would you like to see in the future? I am debating a historical Korean War game, but wanted to see what the community would like to see? Remember, there are already games in the works based on the war in Afghanistan, the first Gulf War, and the Falklands War.
YOU MAY VOTE FOR MORE THAN ONE CONCEPT!!!
Ivan Rapkinov
07 Jun 04, 19:10
Chechnya - using the War in Afghanistan individual buildings and complex terrain, and you've got yourself some nice urban battles, mixed up with plenty of infantry action in the hills :)
other than that....
ARAB ISRAELI!!!!!
(can't believ that's not an option.
I said China vs. Russia/US. I just want to see how we'd fare against the most dangerous conventional army on the planet (after the US of course).
Like Ivan, I think the Arab/Israeli war would be interesting and a real good fit for ATF. I also agree with Ivan that it would be nice to have some urban/complex terrain scenarios, but am not sure ATF is the best vehicle for that. Which is why AATF is coming... :D
Brian
WWII Oh PLEASE! OH PLEASE! Oh PLEASE!!!!
Oh man how this would rock doing a recreation of the Normandy Invasion with detailed accurate maps!!!!!
"Stardog faints to the floor"
WWII Oh PLEASE! OH PLEASE! Oh PLEASE!!!!
Oh man how this would rock doing a recreation of the Normandy Invasion with detailed accurate maps!!!!!
"Stardog faints to the floor"
Very true...though the N.Africa campaign would be nice too. And then AATF can come out and we could do Market Garden -- my personal favorite.
The only thing I worry about is a marketing issue -- the WWII market is so saturated. But hey, I'd buy it. :D
Brian
I agree...ARAB/ISREALI!! Should definitely be an option.
RedMike OUT
Oh ya N. Afrika too :)
Yes the WWII market is saturated but as I am a WWII junkie! I can say that NO ONE has done it like the ATF engine would. They could do Normandy first then Market Garden, Battle of the Bulge addons then add the med and N. afrika :) Ohhhhhh that would be so cool!
But thats coming from someone who is lost 80% of the time in modern warfare sims and is a true WWII fanatic.
Deltapooh
08 Jun 04, 02:27
Arab vs Israeli is cool. However, I've had so much trouble reconstruction real battles I had to go with the hypothetical conflict between the US and China/Russia.
I like the of Chechnya too, but think ATF's engine is not capable of accurately simulating urban combat. Now, we had AATF.......... :D
Capt.Drizzt
08 Jun 04, 02:27
What's ATF like? What is ATF? I'm a CMBB guy.
CPangracs
08 Jun 04, 08:47
Chechnya - using the War in Afghanistan individual buildings and complex terrain, and you've got yourself some nice urban battles, mixed up with plenty of infantry action in the hills :)
other than that....
ARAB ISRAELI!!!!!
(can't believ that's not an option.Arab Israeli is another option, of course, but, IMO, it was kind of a boring war, and lasted only a few days. The battles would be very limited in scope. I have all of the research done, as I created the 1973 war for the SAMS course here using Decisive Action.
DP, not sure why you had trouble recreating the battles. There really is no reason to try and recreate anything! Set-up the forces and let the players play it out. The initial attacks by the Arabs were simplistic and easy to recreate. The only place it gets sticky is the Israeli counter attack, and that would be done by the player. The biggest problem I had setting-up the DA game was getting even TWO sources to agree on the composition and disposition of even ONE unit! Was it called the Adnan or the Sharon? You should know what I'm talking about.
the more I think about it, the more I'm leaning toward the Arab-Israeli war. It would be a fairly small database, and I can think of no less than 20 different scenarios!
Hmmmmm....
the more I think about it, the more I'm leaning toward the Arab-Israeli war. It would be a fairly small database, and I can think of no less than 20 different scenarios!
Of course, the obvious question: which one? '48, '56, '67, or '73? Or all of them?
I'm guessing you're thinking of '73.
--- Kevin
CPangracs
08 Jun 04, 12:15
Of course, the obvious question: which one? '48, '56, '67, or '73? Or all of them?
I'm guessing you're thinking of '73.
--- KevinBad guess. I was thinking 5 scenarios from each war.;)
More than likely, though, I may just do that when I have some down time. The US/Russia v. China looks very good to take advantage of all of the new aspects of the ATF engine, or maybe even the AATF engine!.;)
Raging Tiger has a few cool gadgets, but I can get plumb wild with a database comprised of exclusively US, Russian, and Chinese equipment! *salivates*
Ivan Rapkinov
08 Jun 04, 20:17
Arab-Israeli = 1982 What If Syria had gotten nasty during Op: PftG
when AATF comes out - there better be a Chechen scn :D (The Budyonnovsk hostage raids...drool ;) ) - but DP, I think you're right, ATF engine is better suited for long range combat more than knifefights at 10-20m.
What's ATF like? What is ATF? I'm a CMBB guy.
Hey Capt. Drizzt,
I've never played CMBB, so I can't offer any comparisons, but ATF is a real-time, tactical simulation. The maps and databases it uses are very detailed and realistic. Most scenarios you command a battalion or less and have the ability to just give orders at the highest level or micromanage individual units.
Here's where you can get a demo from: http://www.prosimco.com.
Once you download, if you have any questions stop by. I would also recommend you take a look at some of the AAR's that have been posted. It might help you get a feel for the game.
Also want to mention that the community is very active with a whole bunch of user scenarios and an improved database developed by one of the fine folks at this forum. And finally, I always like to mention the support we get from the game's developer, Cpt. Pat Proctor. He visits the forums regularly and always answers questions.
Take care,
Brian
switch_back
09 Jun 04, 10:36
I personally like to see a vietnam campaign, a new updated ATF engine could bring out fantastic results, as the engine generally runs in realtime, there could be some pretty hot battles, firefights sporadically appearing here to there, no idea how badly flanked or surrounded you are by NVA forces, until you get hit by them, or the recon team gets overwhelmed.
The lack of LOS in areas of jungle could really heat up scenarios, requiring the player to be quick and responsive to whats happening around them, re-deploying constantly to meet new threats, or plug holes in the defense of a fire base.
I really believe I and others would find this quite an exciting additional set of scenarios or a campaign to the new ATF engine.
:D yes perhaps im too enthusiastic at times!! :D
CPangracs
09 Jun 04, 11:08
How does this sound...
Modern Armored Combat in the Middle East?
Armored combat from 1948 through 2003, with an emphasis on Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Thoughts?
How does this sound...
Modern Armored Combat in the Middle East?
Armored combat from 1948 through 2003, with an emphasis on Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Thoughts?
Hey Curt,
I'd be up for this type of game. Personally though, I would rather not have too heavy an emphasis on OIF.
Brian
Ivan Rapkinov
09 Jun 04, 18:38
forget the yanks and just give us IDF!!! ;)
seriously, Gulf War is covered in T&L, and I assume it'll have a smattering of OIF scns as well. BUT AATF is better for OIF due to the smaller engagements, mainly in complex terrain.
still pushing for Chechnya :D
switch_back
10 Jun 04, 06:42
Forget everything lets just have Vietnam :cheeky:
CPangracs
10 Jun 04, 14:25
Yes, OIF is out,...looks like maybe battles from the 67 and 73 Arab Israeli Wars and maybe a couple Present-Day "hypotheticals"?;)
Yes, OIF is out,...looks like maybe battles from the 67 and 73 Arab Israeli Wars and maybe a couple Present-Day "hypotheticals"?;)
Now that sounds like some fun...especially the hypotheticals! :D
Ivan Rapkinov
10 Jun 04, 21:50
ugh...
OPERATION PEACE FOR THE GALILEE...
ugh...
OPERATION PEACE FOR THE GALILEE...
What's that? Never heard of it.
Brian
Ivan Rapkinov
10 Jun 04, 22:36
What's that? Never heard of it.
Brian
and you call yourself a wargamer :D
Op: PftG was the IDFs "raid" into southern Lebanon to both a) shore up support for the pro-Israeli Maronite Christian government and b) secure the border against PLO/Hezbollah artillery attacks being lauched from Southern Lebanon.
It involved Sharon - so you know it was gonna be big :D
look here for more info -
http://cgsc.leavenworth.army.mil/csi/research/MOUT/MOUTGawrych.asp#_ftn58
switch_back
11 Jun 04, 07:32
Ummmmm.... NAM? :D :D
Ivan Rapkinov
12 Jun 04, 06:50
Ummmmm.... NAM? :D :D
NAM isn't worth doing until AATF comes out - the current ATF engine doesn't handle infantry and complex terrain all that well - it's much better suited to mech maneuver ops.
switch_back
14 Jun 04, 05:04
no fair :cry: oh well guess im just going to have to wait.
In that case however, i'll go for Israel... ;)
Another vote for WW-II. Where's the order form and you've got
my $45? Especially I'd love to see Operation Market Garden, and
would like engineer capabilities to blow bridges. Don't forget
flamethrower tanks, too, and you've got my sale.
If you could cross-license with something like Call of Duty where
they provide the graphics and you provide the game play and AI you
could sell 1000s of copies. Just get good lawyers first. :)
I'd also love to see Normandy, Battle of the Bulge, and North Africa, too, of course. But I'm not too keen on Russia, sorry.
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