Perimeter Tournament Screen Shots & Discussion [Archive] - Page 2

Poor Old Spike

14 Jun 08, 15:02

RESULT JUST IN
Odies (Russ) v POS =Draw

Much of the action centred on the big T-34/85's v Panthers tank battle for the coastal village (see earlier stunning screenshots), while elsewhere Odies Russian infantry infiltrated much of the map..
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Odies single Russian squad near house keeps the marshes flag neutral in the face of German numerical superiority..
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Screenshot post numbers of this game- 83 118 121 139 150 161 225 251
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Games finished so far- 14/26

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CURRENT LEADER BOARD
(Red=beat POS, Amber=Drew, Green=POS won.
Number to right of dash is POS's score.
Figure in brackets is the one that counts to decide the tourney champion, it's the points differential between winner and loser)

Der Kuenstler 86-14 (+72)
RNL Tiger 84-16 (+68)
ER Chaser 78-22 (+56)
Tripps 71-29 (+42)
Huzaar 70-30 (+40)
Mt.Carmel Hill 70-30 (+40)
Combat Wombat 62-38 (+24)
Seel 56-44 (+12)
CMant 45-55 (-10)
Odies 45-55 (-10)
Andre 41-59 (-18)
Airborne Bob 40-60 (-20)
Michael Dorosh 40-60 (-20)
Guderian 5-95 (-90)

POS Won=4, Drew=3, Lost=7
Germans won 8, Russians won 3
Tourney ends June 30th

Poor Old Spike

14 Jun 08, 16:12

COMBAT FOOTAGE- railstation

After being shooed away by my schreck guy after an earlier attack on the 3 Hetzers behind the house, Mangus's T-34/85 suddenly comes back for a second stab backed up by his mech infantry comrades and brews a Hetzer, taunting them with the cry- "daddy's home!" while the Hetzers are distracted firing at targets offmap to the right..
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Poor Old Spike

14 Jun 08, 16:59

COMBAT FOOTAGE- sailing club

As my Russian battlegroup is caught up in the trees trying to regroup, Waleed's German infantry spring a surprise attack from behind, immobilising this one with a schreck..
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Close-up of the action. Tanks and trees definitely don't mix..
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Poor Old Spike

14 Jun 08, 19:53

RESULT JUST IN
Herrbixx (Ger) wins minor victory

My Russians were bottled up by 3 of Hbixx's Tigers in the north for most of the game..
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Endgame screenshot shows the limit of the Russian advance towards the hills outpost (blue and red x's mark 2 dead Tigers and 2 dead T-34/85's, and circles mark 75mm Paks, one is dead), the Russian infantry is pinned in a clump of trees by small-arms, and the 4-strong group of T-34/85's and SU-100's in the centre has ground to a halt..
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Screenshot post numbers of this game- 64 65 73 110 119 151 154 218 237 241 254
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Games finished so far- 15/26

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CURRENT LEADER BOARD
(Red=beat POS, Amber=Drew, Green=POS won.
Number to right of dash is POS's score.
Figure in brackets is the one that counts to decide the tourney champion, it's the points differential between winner and loser)

Der Kuenstler 86-14 (+72)
RNL Tiger 84-16 (+68)
ER Chaser 78-22 (+56)
Tripps 71-29 (+42)
Huzaar 70-30 (+40)
Mt.Carmel Hill 70-30 (+40)
Combat Wombat 62-38 (+24)
Herrbixx 62-38 (+24)
Seel 56-44 (+12)
CMant 45-55 (-10)
Odies 45-55 (-10)
Andre 41-59 (-18)
Airborne Bob 40-60 (-20)
Michael Dorosh 40-60 (-20)
Guderian 5-95 (-90)

POS Won=4, Drew=3, Lost=8
Germans won 9, Russians won 3
Tourney ends June 30th

Poor Old Spike

15 Jun 08, 09:27

COMBAT FOOTAGE- railstation

Waleed's Germans launch pincer attack..
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And an SU-100 is the first to go..
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Poor Old Spike

15 Jun 08, 14:22

RESULT JUST IN
Stndrtnfhr (Russ) wins tactical victory

Very fluid front lines..
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The Academy (below) was the key to Stndrtnfhr's victory, I committed 6x PzIVH's to its defence but after prolonged bitter fighting they were unable to stem his advance, he killed them all then swept on to seize the airfield..
9 blue X's mark wrecked PzIVH's and 3 red X's mark a destroyed ISU-152 (foreground) and 2x T-34/85's at head of valley on right..
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Screenshot post numbers of this game- 86 126 199 220 250 256
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Games finished so far- 16/26

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CURRENT LEADER BOARD
Red=beat POS, Amber=Drew, Green=POS won.
Number to right of dash is POS's score.
Figure in brackets is the one that counts to decide the tourney champion, it's the points differential between winner and loser. Der Kuenstler is therefore current leader.
Listing is in alphabetical order where scores are tied

Der Kuenstler 86-14 (+72)
RNL Tiger 84-16 (+68)
ER Chaser 78-22 (+56)
Tripps 71-29 (+42)
Huzaar 70-30 (+40)
Mt.Carmel Hill 70-30 (+40)
Stndrtnfhr 70-30 (+40)
Combat Wombat 62-38 (+24)
Herrbixx 62-38 (+24)
Seel 56-44 (+12)
CMant 45-55 (-10)
Odies 45-55 (-10)
Andre 41-59 (-18)
Airborne Bob 40-60 (-20)
Michael Dorosh 40-60 (-20)
Guderian 5-95 (-90)

POS Won=4, Drew=3, Lost=9
Germans won 9, Russians won 4
Tourney ends June 30th

Michael Dorosh

15 Jun 08, 14:37

Updated later

Poor Old Spike

15 Jun 08, 14:43

REMINDER!

Der Kuenstler has already won one of my previous tourneys (Malitz) as the archived front page below shows, now he's on course to lift the Perimeter Trophy too, is there no stopping him?

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MALITZ TOURNEY- http://www.theblitz.org/message_boards/showthread.php?tid=43407

RedDevil (FGM)

15 Jun 08, 21:25

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Michael Dorosh

15 Jun 08, 21:27

8000 views! That's a hell of record for a single person's competition.. someone must like reading what you post LOL

It also counts his own LOL views LOL and there LOL are probably LOL a lot of LOL those LOL LOL

ps LOL

RedDevil (FGM)

15 Jun 08, 21:37

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Poor Old Spike

15 Jun 08, 22:23

8000 views! That's a hell of record for a single person's competition.. someone must like reading what you post LOL

Yes mate my army of loyal fans follow me everywhere from club to club wildly applauding my humble efforts and eagerly lapping up my tactical hints, even my devotees Geordie, McIvan, Talvela and Leto have faithfully followed me here on the pilgrims trail, such is my supernatural magnetism..:)

"Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world
Like a Colossus; and we petty men
Walk under his huge legs, and peep about
To find ourselves dishonourable graves."-Shakesp, J.Caesar

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Stndrtnfhr

15 Jun 08, 22:49

That was one heck of a challenging game POS. You are correct, the academy was the key terrain in our fight. That, and a good bit of luck, killing 5 tanks in one turn is extremely rare.
I took 4 T-34/85s and one SU 152 for armor plus 3 57mm AT guns. Two T-34 survived till the end and two of those guns killed 4 MKIVs between them. Redeploying guns in the middle of a battle is tough but this time it worked. If the game had not gone deep into overtime, the end result would have been very different.

Stndrtnfhr Out!

Poor Old Spike

17 Jun 08, 10:54

COMBAT FOOTAGE- hills

My Stalins and 34/85's have been bitterly fighting for every inch of ground for most of the game in the face of fierce resistance by GAZ NZ's German gun-heavy defence. X's mark wrecked guns and tanks. The two ringed 34/85's are about to do a right hook..
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They hook around the main line of resistance in an attempt to break the deadlock and take out a Grille that has been shelling my Russian infantry..
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Close-up..
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Poor Old Spike

17 Jun 08, 21:53

COMBAT FOOTAGE- sailing club

Unable to break out of the sector in the face of Waleed's German infantry line in the trees to their front, I order two SU-100's to reverse (purple arrow) to the boathouse flag and safely sit out the remaining few turns.
But shock horror, they reverse straight into a German squad who somehow infiltrated from behind, he can hardly believe his luck and gleefully hurls a grenade bundle (visible in midair)
Inset- one is wrecked.
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Poor Old Spike

18 Jun 08, 12:49

RESULT JUST IN
2054172 (Ger) wins Tactical Victory

My Russians made two thrusts, both of which met with only limited success..
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I was much too cautious here in the coastal village sector, inching through the streets at snails pace demolishing it house by house, expecting a German armoured counterattack to come in any minute, but 205 fooled me by attacking in the forest instead.
(X= destroyed gun. The T-34 at bottom bogged and immobilised in the shallows)
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Major Battle in the Forest.
At first my Russian infantry met with only token resistance (x's=destroyed German units) and swept confidently through the flag outpost with their jubilant eyes set firmly upon the rich prize of the airfield in background..
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Heavy contact! The Russians encounter 205's main line of resistance and are stopped in their tracks as a hail of lead rips through the trees shredding the foliage and upsetting nesting birds..
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1- A schreck opens up on my T-34/85 and armoured car, while at the same time the ominous sound of approaching tank engines is heard at 2 (it turned out to be a Panther).
3- I reverse my T-34 and car away from the schreck.
4- I pull my men back to defend the flag outpost while telling them- "sorry boys, we just lost the airfield".
5- This Russian group are pinned by heavy small-arms and MG fire from across the clearing and I'm unable to extricate them..
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The endgame screen; despite all my efforts the flag stays neutral..
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Endgame view from the German side with arrows indicating 205's main counterattack thrusts that ended Russian hopes of conquest and guaranteed him a triumphant victory in this, his 200th Gamesquad game..
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An endgame shot with trees toggled on to give an idea of the claustrophobic nature of forest battles..
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Screenshot post numbers for this game- 216 266
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Games finished so far- 17/26

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CURRENT LEADER BOARD
Red=beat POS, Amber=Drew, Green=POS won.
Number to right of dash is POS's score.
Figure in brackets is the one that counts to decide the tourney champion, it's the points differential between winner and loser. Der Kuenstler is therefore current leader.
Listing is in alphabetical order where scores are tied

Der Kuenstler 86-14 (+72)
RNL Tiger 84-16 (+68)
ER Chaser 78-22 (+56)
Tripps 71-29 (+42)
Huzaar 70-30 (+40)
Mt.Carmel Hill 70-30 (+40)
Stndrtnfhr 70-30 (+40)
2054172 68-32 (+36)
Combat Wombat 62-38 (+24)
Herrbixx 62-38 (+24)
Seel 56-44 (+12)
CMant 45-55 (-10)
Odies 45-55 (-10)
Andre 41-59 (-18)
Airborne Bob 40-60 (-20)
Michael Dorosh 40-60 (-20)
Guderian 5-95 (-90)

POS Won=4, Drew=3, Lost=10
Germans won 10, Russians won 4
Tourney ends June 30th

Poor Old Spike

18 Jun 08, 15:35

COMBAT FOOTAGE- hills

GAZ NZ's gun (circled) knocks out my 2x T-34/85's after they knock out his Grille. (See post #264 for footage from earlier in the manoeuvre)
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Poor Old Spike

18 Jun 08, 22:45

RESULT JUST IN
Waleed (Ger) wins Tactical Victory

A series of sharp tank engagements took the cutting edge off my two armour groups, making further inroads into the pocket impossible..
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The railstation was the end of the line for Russian hopes of any further advance..
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With the trees to their front thick with German infantry, my Russian armour was penned in the sailing club sector..
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Screenshot post numbers for this game- 170 186 230 253 255 265 268
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Games finished so far- 18/26

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CURRENT LEADER BOARD
Red=beat POS, Amber=Drew, Green=POS won.
Number to right of dash is POS's score.
Figure in brackets is the one that counts to decide the tourney champion, it's the points differential between winner and loser. Der Kuenstler is therefore current leader.
Listing is in alphabetical order where scores are tied

Der Kuenstler 86-14 (+72)
RNL Tiger 84-16 (+68)
ER Chaser 78-22 (+56)
Tripps 71-29 (+42)
Huzaar 70-30 (+40)
Mt.Carmel Hill 70-30 (+40)
Stndrtnfhr 70-30 (+40)
2054172 68-32 (+36)
Waleed 67-33 (+34)
Combat Wombat 62-38 (+24)
Herrbixx 62-38 (+24)
Seel 56-44 (+12)
CMant 45-55 (-10)
Odies 45-55 (-10)
Andre 41-59 (-18)
Airborne Bob 40-60 (-20)
Michael Dorosh 40-60 (-20)
Guderian 5-95 (-90)

POS Won=4, Drew=3, Lost=11
Germans won 11, Russians won 4
Tourney ends June 30th

Poor Old Spike

19 Jun 08, 13:54

RESULT JUST IN
POS (Russ) gets minor vic against Mugger2006

Mugger took a gun-heavy defence and inflicted severe early damage on my Russian armour, so after that I took things cautious and inched slowly to several objectives to scrape a minor win..
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These 3 guns beat off my Russian assault on the hills outpost..
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Screenshot post numbers for this game- 38 41 92 197 269
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Games finished so far- 19/26

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CURRENT LEADER BOARD
Red=beat POS, Amber=Drew, Green=POS won.
Number to right of dash is POS's score.
Figure in brackets is the one that counts to decide the tourney champion, it's the points differential between winner and loser. Der Kuenstler is therefore current leader.
Listing is in alphabetical order where scores are tied

Der Kuenstler 86-14 (+72)
RNL Tiger 84-16 (+68)
ER Chaser 78-22 (+56)
Tripps 71-29 (+42)
Huzaar 70-30 (+40)
Mt.Carmel Hill 70-30 (+40)
Stndrtnfhr 70-30 (+40)
2054172 68-32 (+36)
Waleed 67-33 (+34)
Combat Wombat 62-38 (+24)
Herrbixx 62-38 (+24)
Seel 56-44 (+12)
CMant 45-55 (-10)
Odies 45-55 (-10)
Mugger2006 42-58 (-16)
Andre 41-59 (-18)
Airborne Bob 40-60 (-20)
Michael Dorosh 40-60 (-20)
Guderian 5-95 (-90)

POS Won=5, Drew=3, Lost=11
Germans won 11, Russians won 5
Tourney ends June 30th

2054172

19 Jun 08, 18:05

POS How many battle sleft to go?
thank you
2054172

Michael Dorosh

19 Jun 08, 18:20

POS as Russian
+72 Der Kuenstler 86 - 14 POS
+68 RNL Tiger 84 - 16 POS
+56 ER Chaser 78 - 22 POS
+40 Huzaar 70 - 30 POS
+36 2054172 68 - 32 POS
+34 Waleed 67 - 33 POS
+24 Combat Wombat 62 - 38 POS
+24 Herbixx 62 - 38 POS
-19 Andre 41 - 59 POS
-20 Airborne Bob 40 - 60 POS
-95 Guderian 5 - 95 POS

POS as German
-40 POS 30 - 70 Stndrtnfhr
-10 POS 55 - 45 CMant
-10 POS 55 - 45 Oldies
-16 POS 58 - 42 Mugger
-20 POS 60 - 40 Michael Dorosh

Combined (in descending order of German scores, ascending order of Russian scores)

Der Kuenstler 86 - 14 POS
RNL Tiger 84 - 16 POS
ER Chaser 78 - 22 POS
Huzaar 70 - 30 POS
2054172 68 - 32 POS
Waleed 67 - 33 POS
Combat Wombat 62 - 38 POS
Herbixx 62 - 38 POS
POS 60 - 40 Michael Dorosh
POS 58 - 42 Mugger
POS 55 - 45 CMant
POS 55 - 45 Oldies
Andre 41 - 59 POS
Airborne Bob 40 - 60 POS
POS30 - 70 Stndrtnfhr
Guderian 5 - 95 POS

Michael Dorosh

19 Jun 08, 18:32

Average performance of POS as Russian (11 performances thus far): 39.7
Average performance of POS's Russian opponents (5 thus far): 48.4

Removing the largest outlier from each performance (the 95 that POS obtained and the 70 that Stndrtnfhr obtained), the totals are:

Average performance of POS as Russian: 34.2
Average performance of POS' Russian opponents: 43

German

Average performance of POS as German (5 games to date): 51.6
Average performance of POS' German opponents (11 games to date): 60.27

Removing largest outlier (95-5 score in favour of POS and 70-30 in favour of Sndrtnfhr)

Average performance of POS as German (4 games to date): 57
Average performance of POS' German opponents (10 games to date): 65.8

Poor Old Spike

19 Jun 08, 18:51

POS How many battle sleft to go?

These 7 are left mate-

Bert Blitzkrieg
GAZ NZ
Mangus
Red Devil
Okimaw
Proniakin
Willard

(Mind you Okimaw, Proniakin and Willard vanished weeks ago and I've not heard a peep from 'em since)

PS- M Dorosh challenged me to a Perimeter mirror rematch (not for the trophy, just for the ladder) and I accepted and sent him the first file and am waiting to hear back from him.
Anybody else fancy a mirror rematch?)

2054172

19 Jun 08, 18:59

AS for Okimaw...don't quote me yet....but I believe he goes off in the summer for some native stuff. I phones him to see if that is what he has done.
Thanks
2054172

Michael Dorosh

19 Jun 08, 19:11

PS- M Dorosh challenged me to a Perimeter mirror rematch (not for the trophy, just for the ladder) and I accepted and sent him the first file and am waiting to hear back from him.

I've decided not to go ahead with the rematch since you indicated you were going to use the score on the ongoing ladder, which wasn't my intent. I understood the rationale about not having the score of the rematch eligible for the contest, which was also not my intent.

Also, I'm off on vacation tomorrow for a few days so my time is limited. And, now that the next tournament has been announced, if I'm considered eligible to participate in that one, our time is probably better spent doing that rather than rehashing this fight for the 17th time. Unless there is something really important at stake or any great reason for doing so that I am unaware of; I was curious to see how a conventional German setup might do, but not really all that curious and I think my question would be well answered by the Green Light parameters you've proposed.

Poor Old Spike

19 Jun 08, 19:25

..I've decided not to go ahead with the rematch since you indicated you were going to use the score on the ongoing ladder..

Alright mate but you would have been German and probably won..:)
See you in Green Light then..

Michael Dorosh

19 Jun 08, 19:27

Alright mate but you would have been German and probably won..:)
See you in Green Light then..

"Won" what?

Poor Old Spike

19 Jun 08, 19:41

"Won" what?

The rematch

Mt. Carmel Hill

20 Jun 08, 08:45

Poor Old Spike

20 Jun 08, 15:03

COMBAT FOOTAGE-hills

Bert Blitzkrieg's Russians overun the outpost.
An earlier violent tank action left 2x Hetzers, 3x T-34/85's and a couple of halftracks dead (X's),and as Russian infantry begins closing in I reverse my last Hetzer to safety, reluctantly leaving the final surviving squad of the German garrison to his fate..
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As the reversing Hetzer calls it a day, the Russians storm the position with a Company Commander leading from the front..
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Poor Old Spike

20 Jun 08, 20:28

RESULT JUST IN
GAZ NZ (Ger) wins Major victory

Gaz chose a gun-heavy force, and although I committed massive armoured strength in the north his smoking barrels slowed them to a near-standstill..
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My big heavy metal push could make no real headway..
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Games finished so far- 20/26

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CURRENT LEADER BOARD
Red=beat POS, Amber=Drew, Green=POS won.
Number to right of dash is POS's score.
Figure in brackets is the one that counts to decide the tourney champion, it's the points differential between winner and loser. Der Kuenstler is therefore current leader.
Listing is in alphabetical order where scores are tied

Der Kuenstler (Ger) 86-14 (+72)
RNL Tiger (Ger) 84-16 (+68)
GAZ NZ (Ger) 79-21 (+58)
ER Chaser (Ger) 78-22 (+56)
Tripps (Ger) 71-29 (+42)
Huzaar (Ger) 70-30 (+40)
Mt.Carmel Hill (Ger) 70-30 (+40)
Stndrtnfhr (Russ) 70-30 (+40)
2054172 (Ger) 68-32 (+36)
Waleed (Ger) 67-33 (+34)
Combat Wombat (Ger) 62-38 (+24)
Herrbixx (Ger) 62-38 (+24)
Seel (Ger) 56-44 (+12)
CMant (Russ) 45-55 (-10)
Odies (Russ) 45-55 (-10)
Mugger2006 (Ger) 42-58 (-16)
Andre (Ger) 41-59 (-18)
Airborne Bob (Ger) 40-60 (-20)
Michael Dorosh (Russ) 40-60 (-20)
Guderian (Ger) 5-95 (-90)

POS Won=5, Drew=3, Lost=12
Germans won 12, Russians won 5
Tourney ends June 30th

KG_AirborneBob

20 Jun 08, 22:24

Well at least I didnt finish last (Sorry Guderian):smoke:

Poor Old Spike

21 Jun 08, 13:52

COMBAT FOOTAGE-railstation

Mangus's halftracks are stopped by MG, note the MG34's tracer, this halftrack actually blew up!
This is worth posting as tactical confirmation that some MG's in CM can make mincemeat of some halftracks..
It took several bursts over a turn or two, but the MG did it eventually.
Incidentally these halftracks were the weak M5 version, whereas the M5A1 with the shield around the gunner last much longer.
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Poor Old Spike

22 Jun 08, 17:26

COMBAT FOOTAGE- sailing club

Mangus's Stalin struts around making threatening gestures towards the club, so my Hetzer waltzes up and puts two slugs into him and he goes down like a skateboarding faceplanter in a Youtube 'Extreme Accidents' vid without time to shoot back..
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You bin owned boy....
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Geordie

23 Jun 08, 06:32

Yes mate my army of loyal fans follow me everywhere from club to club wildly applauding my humble efforts and eagerly lapping up my tactical hints, even my devotees Geordie, McIvan, Talvela and Leto have faithfully followed me here on the pilgrims trail, such is my supernatural magnetism..:)

"Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world
Like a Colossus; and we petty men
Walk under his huge legs, and peep about
To find ourselves dishonourable graves."-Shakesp, J.Caesar

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/coll.png

When I first joined here I didnt have a clue who you were other than that bloke that got booted from Battlefront for having multiple personalities. I dont think I actually met you (in cyber parlance) until you joined Fragment. Phil aka Pzrtwt has a lot to answer for if I ever meet him......

In fact, when I first joined here I think you were in one of your self inposed exilles as you were in the huff about something or other. I would look it up but apparently the history of this board doesnt go back that far.

Anyway, enough off topic stuff, get back to the excellent perimitert trophy....

Poor Old Spike

23 Jun 08, 12:51

Ha ha ha, you and your WaW chums are great jokers mate, everybody knows you all lurv old POS..:)
I mean, despite all your jokey banter about POS's tactical posts and screenshots being "terrible" and "misleading" etc, you're still proudly displaying 78 of them in your WaW Tac forum..:)
I mean, if they're really as bad as you pretend, you'd have deleted them long ago, ha ha ha..:)

mangus2000

24 Jun 08, 15:49

[QUOTE=Poor Old Spike;1019011]COMBAT FOOTAGE- sailing club

Mangus's Stalin struts around making threatening gestures towards the club, so my Hetzer waltzes up and puts two slugs into him and he goes down like a skateboarding faceplanter in a Youtube 'Extreme Accidents' vid without time to shoot back..

Game was an entire farce for me, as usual:laugh:

Poor Old Spike

24 Jun 08, 16:29

RESULT JUST IN
POS (Ger) wins Tac vic against Mangus2000

Mangus's Red Army stove in the northern sector of the pocket..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Competitons/Man-enda.png

And I was only able to stem his onslaught by committing my panzers to the meatgrinder, here 5 German and 5 Russian wrecks litter the field..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Competitons/Man-endb.gif

Screenshot post numbers for this game- 113 131 167 175 183 226 252 283 284 288
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Games finished so far- 21/26

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CURRENT LEADER BOARD
Red=beat POS, Amber=Drew, Green=POS won.
Number to right of dash is POS's score.
Figure in brackets is the one that counts to decide the tourney champion, it's the points differential between winner and loser. Der Kuenstler is therefore current leader.
Listing is in alphabetical order where scores are tied

Der Kuenstler (Ger) 86-14 (+72)
RNL Tiger (Ger) 84-16 (+68)
GAZ NZ (Ger) 79-21 (+58)
ER Chaser (Ger) 78-22 (+56)
Tripps (Ger) 71-29 (+42)
Huzaar (Ger) 70-30 (+40)
Mt.Carmel Hill (Ger) 70-30 (+40)
Stndrtnfhr (Russ) 70-30 (+40)
2054172 (Ger) 68-32 (+36)
Waleed (Ger) 67-33 (+34)
Combat Wombat (Ger) 62-38 (+24)
Herrbixx (Ger) 62-38 (+24)
Seel (Ger) 56-44 (+12)
CMant (Russ) 45-55 (-10)
Odies (Russ) 45-55 (-10)
Mugger2006 (Ger) 42-58 (-16)
Andre (Ger) 41-59 (-18)
Airborne Bob (Ger) 40-60 (-20)
Michael Dorosh (Russ) 40-60 (-20)
Mangus2000 (Russ) 31-69 (-38)
Guderian (Ger) 5-95 (-90)

POS Won=6, Drew=3, Lost=12
Germans won 13, Russians won 5
Tourney ends June 30th

Poor Old Spike

24 Jun 08, 16:34

..Game was an entire farce for me, as usual:laugh:

Nah mate, the game's very tough on the Russians, i've lost too nearly every time i've been Russki..:)

Poor Old Spike

24 Jun 08, 23:27

Okay I've just created the Perimeter cyber-medal (below), it'll be pinned to each competitors player stats at Blitz (if they're members and if they finish their game) because I only know how to do it there as I'm Tourney Manager with access to the back office coding.
If the Gamesquad or other clubs mods can pin it to your stats in other clubs, go ahead, everybody who signed up for Perimeter is awarded it, win or lose provided they finish the game..;)
(PS- just for the record I include pics of the other 4 medals won by all competitors in my other 4 tourneys over the past year, for example Bert Blitzkrieg entered all 5 and has got all 5 medals in his Blitz stats..:)
(Silver Trophy winners- Guderian won Trident, Der Kuenstler won Malitz, Marshall666 won Pripet, Herroberst won Brits v 21Pz, and Perimeter is still ongoing)

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Pres Truman said to Sgt. Colalillo as he presented the medal- "I'd rather have one of these than be President"

Full story here -
http://www.mnlegion.org/paper/html/colalillo.html

Excerpt -A 19-year-old kid from Duluth's toughest neighborhood leads a charge in Germany during World War II that earns him the nation's highest honor.

Michael Dorosh

25 Jun 08, 00:06

Updated further on

Poor Old Spike

25 Jun 08, 17:40

COMBAT FOOTAGE- airfield

As my Russian spearheads stream towards the airfield, Red Devil launches a panzer counterattack and knocks out my SU-100 leader..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Competitons/Randa.gif

The Devil strikes, I can't even detect some of his muzzle blasts..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Competitons/Randb.gif

Poor Old Spike

25 Jun 08, 19:11

RESULT JUST IN
POS (Ger) wins major vic against Bert Blitzkrieg

Berts Russians overan the hills and forest outposts and came within a whisker of breaking onto the airfield..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Competitons/BB-endx.png

Without armoured support his infantry can advance no further. (See earlier tank battle screenshots)
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Competitons/BB-endy.gif

Screenshot post numbers for this game- 122 134 163 224 235 280 293
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Games finished so far- 22/26

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/sub1/panz-crewa.jpg

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CURRENT LEADER BOARD
Red=beat POS, Amber=Drew, Green=POS won.
Number to right of dash is POS's score.
Figure in brackets is the one that counts to decide the tourney champion, it's the points differential between winner and loser. Der Kuenstler is therefore current leader.
Listing is in alphabetical order where scores are tied

Der Kuenstler (Ger) 86-14 (+72)
RNL Tiger (Ger) 84-16 (+68)
GAZ NZ (Ger) 79-21 (+58)
ER Chaser (Ger) 78-22 (+56)
Tripps (Ger) 71-29 (+42)
Huzaar (Ger) 70-30 (+40)
Mt.Carmel Hill (Ger) 70-30 (+40)
Stndrtnfhr (Russ) 70-30 (+40)
2054172 (Ger) 68-32 (+36)
Waleed (Ger) 67-33 (+34)
Combat Wombat (Ger) 62-38 (+24)
Herrbixx (Ger) 62-38 (+24)
Seel (Ger) 56-44 (+12)
CMant (Russ) 45-55 (-10)
Odies (Russ) 45-55 (-10)
Mugger2006 (Ger) 42-58 (-16)
Andre (Ger) 41-59 (-18)
Airborne Bob (Ger) 40-60 (-20)
Michael Dorosh (Russ) 40-60 (-20)
Mangus2000 (Russ) 31-69 (-38)
Bert Blitzkrieg (Russ) 28-72 (-44)
Guderian (Ger) 5-95 (-90)

POS Won=7, Drew=3, Lost=12
Germans won 14, Russians won 5
Tourney ends June 30th

Geordie

26 Jun 08, 12:07

Palantir

26 Jun 08, 15:53

I second that request. :D

McIvan

26 Jun 08, 19:02

From a distance, it would seem that the best mix for the Germans was infantry with plenty of shreks and AT gun support, with a bit of a mobile armoured "fire brigade". The Russian armour couldn't win by itself.

Michael Dorosh

27 Jun 08, 09:27

POS as Russian
+72 Der Kuenstler 86 - 14 POS
+68 RNL Tiger 84 - 16 POS
+58 GAZ NZ 79 - 21 POS
+56 ER Chaser 78 - 22 POS
+42 Tripps 71 - 29 POS
+40 Mt. Carmel Hill 70 - 30 POS
+40 Huzaar 70 - 30 POS
+36 2054172 68 - 32 POS
+34 Waleed 67 - 33 POS
+24 Combat Wombat 62 - 38 POS
+24 Herbixx 62 - 38 POS
+12 Seel 56 - 44 POS
-19 Mugger2006 42 - 58 POS
-19 Andre 41 - 59 POS
-20 Airborne Bob 40 - 60 POS
-90 Guderian 5 - 95 POS

POS as German
-40 POS 30 - 70 Stndrtnfhr
-10 POS 55 - 45 Odies
-10 POS 55 - 45 CMant
-10 POS 55 - 45 Oldies
-16 POS 58 - 42 Mugger
-20 POS 60 - 40 Michael Dorosh
-38 POS 69 - 31 Mangus2000
-44 POS 72 - 28 Bert Blitzkrieg

Combined (in descending order of German scores, ascending order of Russian scores)

Der Kuenstler 86 - 14 POS
RNL Tiger 84 - 16 POS
GAZ NZ 79 - 21 POS
ER Chaser 78 - 22 POS
POS 72 - 28 Bert Blitzkrieg
Tripps 71 - 29 POS
Mt. Carmel Hill 70 - 30 POS
Huzaar 70 - 30 POS
POS 69 - 31 Mangus2000
2054172 68 - 32 POS
Waleed 67 - 33 POS
Combat Wombat 62 - 38 POS
Herbixx 62 - 38 POS
POS 60 - 40 Michael Dorosh
POS 58 - 42 Mugger
Seel 56 - 44 POS
POS 55 - 45 CMant
POS 55 - 45 Oldies
Mugger2006 42 - 58 POS
Andre 41 - 59 POS
Airborne Bob 40 - 60 POS
POS30 - 70 Stndrtnfhr
Guderian 5 - 95 POS

jdsu

28 Jun 08, 18:44

Spike

Now that the tourney is winding down I have some questions regarding the forces etc.

1. What was the force mix that was most likely to win this one, obviously it was a German one, but what combinations proved most decisive.

2. What tactical approach in your opinion lead to the best results overall. Was it the big Tank group or the looser approach?

3. What units did the most damage, infantry, armour or other?

4. Why did the Soviets fair so badly and what in your opinion was the reasons for their disparaging performance?

Seeing as you played in all of the games I think a quick precis with some insights may be a good help for guys that may want to improve their QB force picks for the future as I'm sure there are some excellent learning points in any debrief that you care to give.

Cheers

As to #1 and #4, players just had to have faith that POS would stick to his preferred force mix and purchase accordingly - as the Germans.

Tripps is in the process of proving that with a different force mix the Russians are very capable of achieving at least a draw. See the live AAR that he is doing in his battle with ER Chaser. ER is using the same units & tactics he did in his Major Victory as Germans against POS in the tourney.

[hirr]Leto

30 Jun 08, 08:29

As to #1 and #4, players just had to have faith that POS would stick to his preferred force mix and purchase accordingly - as the Germans.

Tripps is in the process of proving that with a different force mix the Russians are very capable of achieving at least a draw. See the live AAR that he is doing in his battle with ER Chaser. ER is using the same units & tactics he did in his Major Victory as Germans against POS in the tourney.

It does not look like POS is supporting this thread any longer... that's too bad, I would have liked to have received that report.

Cheers!

Leto

Geordie

30 Jun 08, 15:01

Im beginning to think that POS is simply the screenshot guy, because apart from this aspect hes not really willing or able to give a bit more in depth insights into the games.

Michael Dorosh

30 Jun 08, 15:06

Im beginning to think that POS is simply the screenshot guy, because apart from this aspect hes not really willing or able to give a bit more in depth insights into the games.

Agreed, but perhaps his opponents had some insights they would care to share. There's 25 or so people on that list that played against him. I started an AAR thread in the AAR section but haven't had time to do much with it; however, there is nothing stopping anyone from waxing eloquent here on how their game went, or talking about some finer points of tactics.

Basically, I was disappointed, speaking for myself. After reading all the raving about his tactical prowess, I was very much aware that he was simply playing like a "ladder player", and a sloppy one at that. I really don't feel I learned a single thing, except perhaps the advantage of hiding SMG troops in woods just behind the objective. As for actual tactics, there was nothing of note to learn from our playthrough that wasn't already self-evident.

McIvan

30 Jun 08, 16:49

In terms of Spike being a "sloppy" player, I venture that anyone playing about 20 games at once of the same scenario is going to get a little vague on what is happening in which. I wouldn't judge Mick on that, when in a specific one on one game that he could devote some attention to, he might be a lot better.

BTW I note that Spike has made and awarded Perimeter "medals" to people from the Blitz that participated....but seems to have forsaken the actual tourney thread here.

Stndrtnfhr

30 Jun 08, 16:55

This tourny was a little different from POS. It is essentially a Russian attack/assault at even odds. The Reds have a much more difficult fight to win than the Germans.

The "secret" to my success as the Reds, is no secret at all. Combined Arms and maneuver win the day almost without exception. It takes the combination of mortars, arty, AT guns, tanks and infantry to win. The trick is to pick the right combination and apply them so your opponent has a tough time countering. Evaluating the terrain is essential to making the right picks. In our game POS took 10 MkIVs. Too much armor, to win in that terrain. I took only 5 and two survived, verses only 1 survivor for POS. None of this is new, but sometimes we all need to be reminded, myself included.

The only advantage the Reds have is that they can pick the objectives while the German has to defend all. Just to stir the pot, I would say that I won this tourney as I took the challenge of playing the Reds in an attack/assault at even odds and had the highest score against POS. ;)

Standing by for incoming!!!!!!

Stndrtnfhr Out!

Michael Dorosh

30 Jun 08, 16:58

McIvan

30 Jun 08, 17:44

Like JDSU says, however, it helps considerably in that POS is a predictable force picker...he goes armour heavy, all the time, every time. Combined arms will beat it four times out of five.

Poor Old Spike

30 Jun 08, 20:10

DER KUENSTLER WINS THE PERIMETER TOURNEY TROPHY!

This hallowed silver cup will be mailed to his home address..:)

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Here's his endgame screen again, he bought no tanks, just a German infantry army backed up by lots of guns and schrecks which ground my armour down to iron filings..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Competitons/DK-endk.png

Endgame shot- My Russians gave their all in the meatgrinder assault on the hills outpost; 2 dead German guns, 4 dead T-34's and a crater-pocked landscape attest to the ferocity of the battle..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Competitons/DKendl.gif

Endgame shot- In the marshes sector my Russians seized the flag but all the tanks and halftracks were subsequently wrecked and the flag reverted to German possession.(The halftracks were very flimsy, HMG bursts got some of them). 3 x T-34's broke through to the airfield but were wrecked and can be seen littering the runway in background..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Competitons/DKendm.gif

Poor Old Spike

30 Jun 08, 20:14

And below are all the screenshots covering the battle in chronological sequence
(post numbers 91 98 107 138 159 160 193 198)

COMBAT FOOTAGE- hills

Der Kuenstler's Germans have garrisoned this key wood which guards the approach to the flag in background; my T-34's can't see deeply enough into the trees to engage them so i send in a massive infantry attack to flush them out..
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COMBAT FOOTAGE- hills

Der Kuenstler's Germans give my Russian infantry a bloody nose..
Even with T-34's in close support, his gun and infantry cut down my boys as they attempt to cross nomansland..
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COMBAT FOOTAGE- hills

Der Kuenstler's gun goes on a killing spree, knocking out these 2 x T-34's in quick succession, while his infantry slaughter my Russian infantry wave.
The gun was engaged by the tanks and some infantry but still kept on firing while no doubt shouting to his mates- "hey kameraden, i'll show you how to win the Iron Cross!"
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COMBAT FOOTAGE- marshes

After capturing the marshes outpost at bott left, I wheel my T-34/85's into line astern formation for an attack on the richest prize on the map- Der Kuenstler's airfield..
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But before I can move off he launches a spoiling attack with a fusillade of schrecks and fausts (red fire lanes) killing two T-34's and making the rest mill around in confusion. Only the T-34 leader gets through and finds himself alone at the tip of the arrow, frantically radioing "where are my comrades?"
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Competitons/dkb.gif

The punch-drunk T-34's turrets swing like crazy looking for whoever's firing at them..
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COMBAT FOOTAGE- airfield

Der Kuenstler's German squad punishes my T-34 for breaking the first rule in the tank driver's handbook-"Never drive within 40metres (grenade-throwing range) of any terrain that could be concealing enemy infantry"
(Okay i'll take the rap for driving them too close but my excuse is they'd been under schreck attack from behind in the previous turn and I was racing them down the runway to get away in a hurry..)
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COMBAT FOOTAGE- hills

At last I'm able to silence Der Kuenstler's troublesome gun, just look at the havoc its been wreaking against my T-34's..
My last 2 T-34's can't see it (and it can't see them) because of intervening smoke from burning wrecks, so I use the well-known tactic of area-firing into the ground next to the gun, and the blast knocks it out.
(Note the blank panel (white circle) in its datastrip, that's how we know if a gun or infantry unit is kaput)
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COMBAT FOOTAGE- airfield

With this battle in overtime I play my final card against the main flag by sending 2 x T-34's to establish a presence near it to hopefully at least turn it neutral, I kept them in the centre of the runway out of grenade range but Der Kuenstler's invisible schrecks/fausts mercilessly cut them down. (The third T-34 in flames further down the runway was brewed by a grenade a few turns previously)
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Competitons/Dk-whsh.gif

Poor Old Spike

30 Jun 08, 20:18

FINAL PERIMETER TOURNEY RANKINGS

Red=beat POS, Amber=Drew, Green=POS won.
Number to right of dash is POS's score.
Figure in brackets is the one that counts to decide the tourney champion, it's the points differential between winner and loser. Listing is in alphabetical order where scores are tied

Der Kuenstler (Ger) 86-14 (+72)
RNL Tiger (Ger) 84-16 (+68)
GAZ NZ (Ger) 79-21 (+58)
ER Chaser (Ger) 78-22 (+56)
Tripps (Ger) 71-29 (+42)
Huzaar (Ger) 70-30 (+40)
Mt.Carmel Hill (Ger) 70-30 (+40)
Stndrtnfhr (Russ) 70-30 (+40)
2054172 (Ger) 68-32 (+36)
Waleed (Ger) 67-33 (+34)
Combat Wombat (Ger) 62-38 (+24)
Herrbixx (Ger) 62-38 (+24)
Seel (Ger) 56-44 (+12)
CMant (Russ) 45-55 (-10)
Odies (Russ) 45-55 (-10)
Mugger2006 (Ger) 42-58 (-16)
Andre (Ger) 41-59 (-18)
Airborne Bob (Ger) 40-60 (-20)
Michael Dorosh (Russ) 40-60 (-20)
Mangus2000 (Russ) 31-69 (-38)
Bert Blitzkrieg (Russ) 28-72 (-44)
Guderian (Ger) 5-95 (-90)

POS Won=7, Drew=3, Lost=12
Germans won 14, Russians won 5
Tourney ended June 30th 2008
(4 players didn't beat the finish deadline, one of the games is still ongoing but the final result won't count for the tourney. The other 3 vanished for various reasons)

Note- All competitors who are members of the Blitz club will find the Perimeter cyber-medal in their player stats over there, plus 50 bonus Blitz ladder points (100 for winner Der Kuenstler)
I've organised 5 Tourneys over the past year and every competitor gets a cyber-medal at Blitz as below

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